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(Bloomberg) -- Nintendo Co.’s cuts to forecasts for profit and sales show even new titles with Mario can’t make consumers choose its Wii U console over other gaming options. The shares slumped the most in more than three years.

The company halved its operating earnings forecast for this fiscal year to 20 billion yen ($170 million) and lowered its sales outlook by 7 percent Wednesday. While the sliding Japanese yen enabled Nintendo to increase its expected net income, all three projections are below analyst estimates.

President Satoru Iwata, who postponed a meeting with analysts today because of a fever, is seeing the limits of a strategy to lure hardware buyers with titles like Super Smash Bros. and Mario Kart 8. While company kept its annual outlook to sell 3.6 million Wii U units, even as it raised the software target 25 percent, the console is selling at less than half the pace of its predecessor and investors are bracing for a possible profit slump next year.

“Things don’t look so good once you take away the boost from foreign exchange, because the operating profit outlook has been cut below consensus level,” said Mitsushige Akino, an executive officer at Ichiyoshi Asset Management Co. in Tokyo. “Nintendo has a problem of getting their concept of gaming gain traction among users beyond their core audience.”

Shares of Nintendo closed 8.7 percent lower at 11,235 yen in Tokyo today, the biggest decline since July 2011. The stock is down 11 percent this year, compared with a 0.4 percent increase in the benchmark Topix.

Yen Boost

The analyst briefing was delayed because Iwata may have the flu and its unrelated to an operation the president had last year to remove a bile-duct growth, Nintendo spokesman Yasuhiro Minagawa said by phone.

Mario Kart 8 and Super Smash Bros. for Wii U sold 4.8 million units and 3.4 million units worldwide respectively, the company said yesterday. Nintendo now expects software sales for the console to reach 25 million units.

Net income will be 30 billion yen in the 12 months ending March, the Kyoto, Japan-based company said in a filing yesterday. That compares with its previous forecast for net income of 20 billion yen and 34.5 billion yen estimated by the analysts.

Wii U consoles will probably return to losing money and 3DS earnings will fall next fiscal year, Haruka Mori, a Tokyo-based analyst at JPMorgan & Chase Co., wrote in a Jan. 21 report. Recovery probably won’t begin until the year ending March 2017, Mori wrote, citing a comment by Nintendo management.

No Smartphones

The yen weakened 8.5 percent against the dollar last quarter and 4.4 percent against the euro. The currency fetched 117.64 and 132.63 respectively as of 3:05 p.m. in Tokyo today.

The company also posted quarterly earnings yesterday, with net income of 45.2 billion yen in the three months ended December, according to figures derived from nine month earnings. That compares with the 34 billion-yen average of seven analyst estimates compiled by Bloomberg. Third-quarter sales were 271.5 billion yen, missing analyst expectations for 296.1 billion yen.

Nintendo has resisted putting its games on smartphones so that it can use iconic brands such as Mario and Zelda to drive sales of its own machines and software.

The company is considering various options for mobile devices, Iwata said in Osaka yesterday without providing specifics.

Amiibo Figurines

“As a rule, we don’t consider to bring games for our game machines into smart devices,” he said. “If we follow current games on smartphones and we just bring our current games into smart devices, it won’t lead to the future.”

Nintendo cut its full-year sales target for the 3DS player 25 percent to 9 million units and reduced the outlook for the player’s software by 9 percent to 61 million units.

“The 3DS has passed the peak of its hardware cycle,” Eiji Maeda, a Tokyo-based analyst at SMBC Nikko Securities Inc., said before the release. “The device is the next one in line for a refresh. It would make sense to have a new model next year, so we can expect the news flow to begin from the middle of this year.”

Iwata said Nintendo sold about 5.7 million of its new Amiibo figurines worldwide since late November, giving an early indication of whether the company’s strategy of selling toys will be successful.

Players can choose from more than 40 Amiibo toys to enter popular characters like Mario, Link and Donkey Kong into a Nintendo game through the Wii U’s GamePad tablet. The figurines retail for about $13, according to the company’s website.

“The best they can hope for with the Wii U is keeping the present state of affairs,” said Hideki Yasuda, a Tokyo-based analyst at Ace Research Institute. “In the game business, momentum is key. Nintendo should be thinking about new hardware.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-01-28/nintendo-s-outlook-disappoints-and-mario-can-t-save-wii-u



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“Things don’t look so good once you take away the boost from foreign exchange, because the operating profit outlook has been cut below consensus level,” said Mitsushige Akino, an executive officer at Ichiyoshi Asset Management Co. in Tokyo. “Nintendo has a problem of getting their concept of gaming gain traction among users beyond their core audience.”

Hmmm. Seems like much of their profit is coming from favorable currency fluctuations rather than gaming related profit. So yeah, that is a big red flag to investors.

Still it's better than the years where they were losing money outright.

Also sounds like Wii U hardware still is not profitable, looks like they were selling older manufacturered units (were the book loss was reported on the previous fiscal year). That means now that they have to start producing new Wii U units again, they will go back to taking losses on them. I was kinda confused as to why their net income for the end of December was higher than what they expect for the year end in March, but that I guess that's showing once Wii U production starts again (this month?) they expect it to eat away at some of the profit from the previous 9 months. 



“The device (3DS) is the next one in line for a refresh. It would make sense to have a new model next year, so we can expect the news flow to begin from the middle of this year.”

Lol, the news has been "flowing" for a successor since early least year, dude.



Sh1nn said:

 “The 3DS has passed the peak of its hardware cycle,” Eiji Maeda, a Tokyo-based analyst at SMBC Nikko Securities Inc., said before the release. “The device is the next one in line for a refresh. It would make sense to have a new model next year, so we can expect the news flow to begin from the middle of this year.”


New handheld confirmed for announcement at e3?



spemanig said:
“The device (3DS) is the next one in line for a refresh. It would make sense to have a new model next year, so we can expect the news flow to begin from the middle of this year.”

Lol, the news has been "flowing" for a successor since early least year, dude.


I think what he's alluding to is he expects to see the new model (as in next-gen) Nintendo handheld at E3 2015 (mid-year). 



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Well damn I was wrong, it didn't even take one month for the analysts to go back to doom for Nintendo

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6969672



Investors are spooked by those sinking 3DS projections too I think. The last time their stock dropped this much was right before they made the emergency 3DS price collapse from $250 to $169.99 just a few months after launch. 

3DS will barely hit 9 million this fiscal year, next fiscal year it will probably decline even more to 7 million or so, which is getting into a danger zone situation, for the last 15 years or so, Nintendo's basically build their business on having year handheld shipments in the 12-25 million range every year.

Before that they could get by with lower handheld sales but that's because the SNES and N64 (early years) were selling pretty good. 



Soundwave said:

I think what he's alluding to is he expects to see the new model (as in next-gen) Nintendo handheld at E3 2015 (mid-year). 


Oh... Well I dunno. I mean, I don't expect to see it so soon after the N3DS launch in NA. I personally don't see that announcement until like November this year at the absolute earliest. But more realisicelly I'd bet on E3 next year, not this year.



spemanig said:
Soundwave said:

I think what he's alluding to is he expects to see the new model (as in next-gen) Nintendo handheld at E3 2015 (mid-year). 


Oh... Well I dunno. I mean, I don't expect to see it so soon after the N3DS launch in NA. I personally don't see that announcement until like November this year at the absolute earliest. But more realisicelly I'd bet on E3 next year, not this year.


Well they might be planning to release the handheld (at least in Japan) before E3 2016, so that moves E3 2016 out. 

It has to be this June's show if they're planning to launch around spring 2016 for Japan. 

Unveiling in November really isn't Nintendo's style because it would take away all the attention from their holiday lineup to say "hey look at this thing we're launching next year". 

It would also basically be a similar time line to the 3DS unveil ... they announced the 3DS in March 2010 I think, the same month they released the DSi XL in North America. Then they unveiled the 3DS with playable demos at E3 2010. The system launched in Japan about eight months later, and about a year later in the US. 

I really honestly don't think the New 3DS really means much more to Nintendo than the DSi XL did -- it's just a last gasp revision, nothing more, nothing less. With its built-in Amiibo functionality it will be stocked in stores for a few more years no matter what, as a cheaper/low end market option when the next-gen Nintendo portable comes out. So New 3DS still has a role. It just may not be the one some people have mistakenly dreamt up for it. 



I won't comment about the topic and mods forgive me for that,I just realized something...Sh1nn you just became suspect for me and as Mr Khan says:You never change! ;)