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Metallox said:
Maraccuda said:
All THREE are to blame.

Nintendo for not actively seeking third , arty support.
Third parties for not supporting Nintendo consoles AND even making gimped versions of said games.
Gamers for not buying the games.

But that being said third parties expecting their games to sell millions upon launch is ludicrous! Sales arent all or nothing, but are instead are steady stream of sales, with each new release building upon the sales.

Gamers have the fault? How? And are people actually supporting this? Why? People in the end buy whatever they want, they can't be wrong while not purchasing third games on Wii U. That's responsability of both Nintendo and the publisher, but mainly Nintendo, they must generate interest in the consumer, they have to make appealing the purchasing of third games on Wii U for consumers. 


Yes people can buy what they want but I meant it as a supply and demand king of thing. If people arent buying the games then no reason to increase supply. But to increase the demand aspect falls onto Nintendo and Third parties.

I still think customers are partly to blame, but no where near as much as Nintendo and third parties.



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FloatingWaffles said:
I mean, what happened to Splinter Cell: Blacklist, Injustice: Gods Among us, etc?

Those came out at the same time as the other versions and were good ones as well.

It's sad because the people who genuinely do like buying third party games on Nintendo consoles I feel like are held back because the fact that most others won't, meaning they probably won't get the sequel.

Those games sold about 1/10th the volume on less than 1/10th the userbase, so yeah all things considered, yeah they did about the same or better on the Wii U.



FarleyMcFirefly said:

It is us, the gamers.

Why don't Wii U owners purchase more third party games for the system? 

We missed out on COD and AC last year bc their is no support on the system.  Games like Arkham City should be near a million, it's a damn masterpiece. 

When there are people campaigning (which I've seen on this site) to not purchase third party games (like Watch Dogs) it will only make 3rd parties want to develop for Nintendo even less.

I didn't mind waiting, I picked up Watch Dogs, I also have over 20 third party titles. 

If you are a fan of Nintendo, then you would want them to succeed no?  They need third party support to succeed long term. Lets do our part and buy some great third party games!


When Nintendo decided that they didn't want to work with Sony anymore and made the N64 instead, THAT'S when the third party problem began. That's it's genesis (no pun intended). From that momemt on, things have never been the same. 

So to answer your question, it's Nintendo's fault. They gambled and lost.



This guy kind of explain where and how did this Nintendo vs Third parties begin:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=628616



OttoniBastos said:

This guy kind of explain where and how did this Nintendo vs Third parties begin:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=628616

it becomes meaningless the moment it starts with this: "Nintendo caused every single one of their own problems with third parties."



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Gamers have no fault, they simply choose.

Acknowledged this, Ninty must ask itself a few things:
1) Is it satisfied with current sales? If not, then it must try to sell more.
2) Does it need third parties to sell better? If yes, then it must attract them, so it must attract gamers that buy more third party games or help third parties making games that sell better to die-hard fist party Ninty fans or, better, both things.
3) What makes Wii U sell meh? Find it and fix it.
4) What makes third party games sell meh? Find what is Ninty's fault and fix it, and if feasible help others fix what isn't Ninty's fault, if they are willing to accept help and collaborate.

In NO case must a company blame its customers.

But this doesn't totally absolve gamers: those that clearly admit they don't like third party games and those that buy third party games they like are obviously innocent, but those that whine about lack of third party games, then, when good ones arrive, they don't buy those that meet their tastes are guilty. Neither in this case, though, Ninty can blame them, if its gamers are made this way it must either deal with it or try to attract also different ones.



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Materia-Blade said:
OttoniBastos said:

This guy kind of explain where and how did this Nintendo vs Third parties begin:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=628616

it becomes meaningless the moment it starts with this: "Nintendo caused every single one of their own problems with third parties."

Let me guess,you didn't even read the thing right? 



nintendo fault.

disney, skylanders, just dance, rayman, lego and sonic games are third party that never left nintendo.

is just demograpics. nintendo games also apeal players of these games.

if nintendo first party games also apealed AC, CoD and GTA players, thoso would be on nitendo consoles too.



The fact that the Wii U is a gimmicky, underpowered, hard to develop and optimize for, console that would make 9/10 of gamers roll their eyes doesn't have anything to do with it, am I right? Also, let's not forget Nintendo's masterful marketing tactics, they played a big rol in the big success that the Wii U is today.

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OttoniBastos said:
Materia-Blade said:

it becomes meaningless the moment it starts with this: "Nintendo caused every single one of their own problems with third parties."

Let me guess,you didn't even read the thing right? 

Oh, I sure did.