Quantcast
I dont understand the hate Anita Sarkeesian is recieved over Mirrors Edge 2

Forums - Gaming Discussion - I dont understand the hate Anita Sarkeesian is recieved over Mirrors Edge 2

What do you think of Anita

She sucks! 196 61.83%
 
Shes awesome! 18 5.68%
 
Don't care 60 18.93%
 
Sometimes I agree with he... 43 13.56%
 
Total:317
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Nem said:

Theres nothing to talk about. Shes not involved.

I dont like mirrors edge anyways. Game about moving up to the areas that are colored in a white and grey game. I didnt get what the fuss was about.


Look at the title of my post. Even if she wasnt involved there was a rumor about her being involved and the internet blew up because of her again.


I answered that on the poll. I picked "dont care" if you must know.



Around the Network
Nem said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Look at the title of my post. Even if she wasnt involved there was a rumor about her being involved and the internet blew up because of her again.


I answered that on the poll. I picked "dont care" if you must know.


"Theres nothing to talk about. Shes not involved. "

I agree to a degree that this shouldn't be a big deal. The problem much like in my title say isthat people are talking about it in a negative light over the issue of Mirrors Edge 2. Its not completely about her being in it, but rather the reaction. Regardless, you've said you're peace and you've moved on, so i'll leave you to it.



Simple answer really. People are stupid. The idea of mob mentality appears on internet. The irony surrounding her is laughable sometimes (not her but the points she's trying to make).



Hmm, pie.

ClassicGamingWizzz said:
I just leave this shit here :
http://femfreq.tumblr.com/post/109319269825/one-week-of-harassment-on-twitter

/facepalm

I don't think there's any question that people on the internet are assholes, and I'll even accept the notion that women get it somewhat worse than men. But this is pretty bog standard stuff, and it's by no means specific to gaming. Anyone who does anything remotely controversial on the internet is going to get this. And it's never going to stop because it's not a "gamers are misogynists" problem, it's a "people are more likely to behave like dickheads when they don't have to actually look another person in the face" problem.

The fact is that there is not one thing that has happened to Anita Sarkeesian did not also happen to Jack Thompson. It's just that nobody cared when it happened to Thompson because he was a man on a politically unfashionable crusade against video game violence rather than a woman on a very fashionable crusade against video game violence... against women. Fashionable and profitable. I mean, if I did a $200,000 Kickstarter every time some Greek guy sent me death threats just because we got disconnect from Tekken 6, I'd have like... $400,000. Hmmm... to the Kickstarter mobile!



niallyb said:

Because a lot of young male gamers are not mature enough to examine their own prejudices and take her points as an opportunity to grow.  For many young gamer males - a game world is the one place where they are not impotent. Its the one environment they can exercise control over.

 

Its far easier for them to issue anonymous threats that they don't have to be accountable for than actually make an attempt to understand the value in what she is saying.  Of course their reaction has totally validated every one of her criticisms but its far easier to attack the messanger as being somehow illegitmate than seriously examine the merits of her points.

 

For young male gamers who typically have no close female friends and no skills to bridge the gap  - she sounds like an alien.  The fundamental problem is one of self awareness.   

 

I've seen similar insanity where devs have introduced gay characters in their games.  A certain segment of gamers reject the notion of being prejudiced  - by behaving in an entirely prejudiced way.  They simply don't have an understanding of what prejudice means or how damaging it is to others.

Spot on.

So many people don't even bother to watch her videos (in which she, for example, explains how violence against women is often different from violence against men, and how misogyny in games or movies can have negative impacts in real life) and rather just believe in lies that got spread on the internet. 



Around the Network
TRAVIS!!! said:
niallyb said:

Because a lot of young male gamers are not mature enough to examine their own prejudices and take her points as an opportunity to grow.  For many young gamer males - a game world is the one place where they are not impotent. Its the one environment they can exercise control over.

 

Its far easier for them to issue anonymous threats that they don't have to be accountable for than actually make an attempt to understand the value in what she is saying.  Of course their reaction has totally validated every one of her criticisms but its far easier to attack the messanger as being somehow illegitmate than seriously examine the merits of her points.

 

For young male gamers who typically have no close female friends and no skills to bridge the gap  - she sounds like an alien.  The fundamental problem is one of self awareness.   

 

I've seen similar insanity where devs have introduced gay characters in their games.  A certain segment of gamers reject the notion of being prejudiced  - by behaving in an entirely prejudiced way.  They simply don't have an understanding of what prejudice means or how damaging it is to others.

Spot on.

So many people don't even bother to watch her videos (in which she, for example, explains how violence against women is often different from violence against men, and how misogyny in games or movies can have negative impacts in real life) and rather just believe in lies that got spread on the internet. 

I can somewhat agree with your guys on this. There are a lot of guys who don't even know that they are exploding because they feel threatened.



S.T.A.G.E. said:

Dude... Anita had nothing to do with the sex scandal, it was Zoey Quinn. She is reason Gamergate started because her boyfriend ratted her out to the world after she cheated on him with a writer from Kotaku. The rumor that caused Gamergate was because of the rumor that she was giving sex for good reviews for her game. This was debunked (which pretty much knocked the legs out from under Gamergate) and caused a media shitstorm when people attacked Anita Sarkeesian for speaking out against Misogyny in gaming. Zoey Quinn did recieve a lot of misogynist statements from people and it caused a hail of crazed press until the mainstream media took notice. Kotaku investigated the situation and confirmed that he was never reviewing her game to begin with, she just felt like cheating, which was on her. The statements that were thrown her way were quite misogyist.

Zoey's boyfriend ended up starting a shitstorm to get back at his ex and because Anita spoke out against the sexism she became a threat to the status quo outside of criticizing games.

The sex scandal opened the door for a lot of shady shit that Anita, friends(reviewers) and her clients(she is a publicist for certain indy devs) had been doing. Rigging indy game awards(ones you had to pay to enter), friends giving perfect scores for friends games and so on. You are correct in Zoe not having relations with the person who reviewed her at that site and Zoe was out of the gamergate picture within 2 weeks of its inception. The whole gamergate thing opened to an anti corruption in journalism issue. Anita, doing what publicists do, deflected the real issue(corruption) with a made up one(mysogany) that put her at the forefront of the headlines. Multiple gaming sites came out in support of killing the "gamer" the mysoganistic, rape fantasizing, slut shaming person that she portrayed gamers as. This whole time gamergate was calling out these same websites for an array of poor journalism practices. Their response, staying the course was to stick with the story that people were mad that their sites supported Anita and Zoe over the facist opressive manosphere that wanted more rape fantasy games, rather than respond to accusations of corruption. This whole time Anita was taking in the free publicity, growing her brand(and earnings), which is the reason I believe she is involved in "feminism." I would be shocked if she gives a shit about any of the topics she talks about, unless they effect her earnings.



Getting an XBOX One for me is like being in a bad relationship but staying together because we have kids. XBone we have 20000+ achievement points, 2+ years of XBL Gold and 20000+ MS points. I think its best we stay together if only for the MS points.

Nintendo Treehouse is what happens when a publisher is confident and proud of its games and doesn't need to show CGI lies for five minutes.

-Jim Sterling

CDiablo said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
 

Dude... Anita had nothing to do with the sex scandal, it was Zoey Quinn. She is reason Gamergate started because her boyfriend ratted her out to the world after she cheated on him with a writer from Kotaku. The rumor that caused Gamergate was because of the rumor that she was giving sex for good reviews for her game. This was debunked (which pretty much knocked the legs out from under Gamergate) and caused a media shitstorm when people attacked Anita Sarkeesian for speaking out against Misogyny in gaming. Zoey Quinn did recieve a lot of misogynist statements from people and it caused a hail of crazed press until the mainstream media took notice. Kotaku investigated the situation and confirmed that he was never reviewing her game to begin with, she just felt like cheating, which was on her. The statements that were thrown her way were quite misogyist.

Zoey's boyfriend ended up starting a shitstorm to get back at his ex and because Anita spoke out against the sexism she became a threat to the status quo outside of criticizing games.

The sex scandal opened the door for a lot of shady shit that Anita, friends(reviewers) and her clients(she is a publicist for certain indy devs) had been doing. Rigging indy game awards(ones you had to pay to enter), friends giving perfect scores for friends games and so on. You are correct in Zoe not having relations with the person who reviewed her at that site and Zoe was out of the gamergate picture within 2 weeks of its inception. The whole gamergate thing opened to an anti corruption in journalism issue. Anita, doing what publicists do, deflected the real issue(corruption) with a made up one(mysogany) that put her at the forefront of the headlines. Multiple gaming sites came out in support of killing the "gamer" the mysoganistic, rape fantasizing, slut shaming person that she portrayed gamers as. This whole time gamergate was calling out these same websites for an array of poor journalism practices. Their response, staying the course was to stick with the story that people were mad that their sites supported Anita and Zoe over the facist opressive manosphere that wanted more rape fantasy games, rather than respond to accusations of corruption. This whole time Anita was taking in the free publicity, growing her brand(and earnings), which is the reason I believe she is involved in "feminism." I would be shocked if she gives a shit about any of the topics she talks about, unless they effect her earnings.


Anita Sarkeesian went to school focusing on two degrees revolving around social relations. I believe her thesis was on female character tropes in pop culture. This is a quick response and i'll get the specifics in a little bit.



I agree with a lot of what she says. But that whole branch of the feminist movement (sometimes known as SJWs), when you observe their behaviour, are just manipulative opportunists without an inch of intellectual honesty or decency about them.
Look at how they treat the feminists who disagree with their positions to get a sense of their actual character. It's hideous. They're just bullies and they use the fear of very politically correct industries to pressure anyone who disagrees with them into silence.

The issue of women in gaming is generally a good one though. It should also be pointed out, that female representations in gaming had already improved hugely, without anyone calling an entire subculture sexist and evil, and they will continue to improve as more and more people have realised that maybe a damsel in distress is a bit of a lazy trope that doesn't make your game look very good. And we've all got a bit bored of playing as Nathan Drake-clone lead characters.



Spot on.

So many people don't even bother to watch her videos (in which she, for example, explains how violence against women is often different from violence against men, and how misogyny in games or movies can have negative impacts in real life) and rather just believe in lies that got spread on the internet. 


The inconvenient part being that she doesn't offer any evidence for any of her claims. She just asserts them. And anyone who's made this criticism has been hit with a storm of hate.

When you look at the actual criminal data, both violence in general AND sexual assault of various kinds have both fallen hugely over the last 30 years (the time when ALL of gaming happened). This is problematic for her entire body of work.