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What do you think of Anita

She sucks! 196 61.83%
 
Shes awesome! 18 5.68%
 
Don't care 60 18.93%
 
Sometimes I agree with he... 43 13.56%
 
Total:317

They don't like her because she lies. There is a video of her on Youtube calling herself a gamer, and another one when she said she is not a gamer.

Her critiques has flaws in them. Like for example; instead of sneaking around to avoid killing, she would just go and kill or get the woman or man killed instead of just sneaking pass undetected.



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S.T.A.G.E. said:

I am pretty pumped that she's helping with Mirrors Edge to make the female protagonist as badass as possible. I am also a feminist (but foremost egilitarian) and even though I don't always agree with her words, she does bring up good points. When she won the Embassador Award at the Game Developers Choice award, Neil Druckman (who who introduced her) spoke about her influence on the character of Ellie in the Last of Us. In my honest opinion, Ellie is the most empowered female character ever created and has so much to learn in her story growth about survival. If she had an influence on that character, I really wouldnt mind her influencing the female protagonist in Mirrors Edge. I understand that she bites when she talks about subjects, but someone has to do it. If not her, then who?


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Why do you feel that if she was involved in any project, that she could somehow make it better?  I am not aware of her ever proving herself to be a good game designer or creative lead.

You mention that she brings up good points.  You are obviously entitled to your opinion, but I think there is far more evidence to the contrary.  First of all, she talks as if sexism is rampant in the video game industry.  She cites a few games as examples for her cause.  In 2014 alone, there were over 600 games released.  Without having to go through each one, I can tell you that the vast majority could not be called sexist by any means.

She feels she needs to champion this cause of equality, as if the game industry could not move forward or mature without her.  I hate to break it to you, but you could create a party of strong female characters in some of the earliest RPGs in the early 80s.  Examples of strong female protagonists that existed before Anita started her campaign include Ms Pac-Man, Samus from Metroid, Joanna Dark from Perfect Dark, and Commander Shepard from Mass Effect.

As a gamer, I am worried that with all of the publicity that she is getting, some publisher will force a developer to work with her, potentially ruining a game or franchise.  I see games as creative works of art.  Let the developers create what they see fit.  As gamers, we can vote with our wallets if we find the content objectionable.  In no other art form do you see anyone trying to regulate or censor work based on their views of what is sexist or not.  Do you see writers being told to only have strong female protagonists in books?  Do you see painters told to only paint strong female protagonists?  Can you not see how ridiculous this is for video games?

If she was going after video game companies who have sexist views in the workplace, then it would be a different story.  That would have an impact in real life.  Video games are not real.  Acting sexist in Grand Theft Auto does not make you a sexist in real life, no more than acting violent in Call of Duty makes you a murderer, no more than standing in a garage makes you a car.

What saddens me most is that people donate to her "cause", rathen than donating directly to local Women's Shelters or to other charitable organizations like the Red Cross.  There are much better organizations that can help women (and men) out there.



Theres nothing to talk about. Shes not involved.

I dont like mirrors edge anyways. Game about moving up to the areas that are colored in a white and grey game. I didnt get what the fuss was about.



S.T.A.G.E. said:

I am pretty pumped that she's helping with Mirrors Edge to make the female protagonist as badass as possible. I am also a feminist (but foremost egilitarian) and even though I don't always agree with her words, she does bring up good points. When she won the Embassador Award at the Game Developers Choice award, Neil Druckman (who who introduced her) spoke about her influence on the character of Ellie in the Last of Us. In my honest opinion, Ellie is the most empowered female character ever created and has so much to learn in her story growth about survival. If she had an influence on that character, I really wouldnt mind her influencing the female protagonist in Mirrors Edge. I understand that she bites when she talks about subjects, but someone has to do it. If not her, then who?


Plain simple question: Why at all? Mirrors Edges storyline was written be Rhianna Pratchett, the daughter of one of my absolute favourite authors by the way.

Though the stor was somewhat flat, Faith was one of the best female characters of last gen. So why has Sarkeesian to mess with an already good, 150% unsexistic female character? 

With Alyx Vance, Jade and very few other female characters this is one of the few females in videogames that just has absolutely zero need to be made over in a feminist or actually less sexistic way.

 

I'm not a Sarkeesian hater. I think she is sometimes very populist, messing with facts etc., which isn't good journalism for me. She does have some good points though, things that are talked about now.

 

So we have a prequel game with three strong but not clichee females, one of them the lead ccharacter and protagonist. And someone who hasn't shown any talent yet in storytelling or characterdevelopment. I think that is more than enough to be very critical.

 

This is like someone saying 'oh, movie industry is sexistic' and then go and rewrite Ellen Ripley. It doesn't make sense at all, the outcome might actually far worse than the original concept and the one doing this hasn't yet proven to be capable of that.

 

I love Mirrors Edge, i really like Faith for being a pretty believable character for a videogame. Hell, she's an athlete. No big boobies or pointless hotpants, tattoos, a face not everyone finds to be pretty but i personally like. And she already is strong in character.



Shadow1980 said:

The fact that she dared to opine on something was enough to send MRAs and other assorted chauvinists, anti-feminists, and right-wing activists into a blinding white-hot rage, and now they consider her the anti-Christ of video games and that anything she touches is toxic to gaming. I've known plenty of right-wingers personally, and I know these right-wing gamers don't give a rat's ass about lofty notions like "journalistic integrity" or "preserving gamer culture." Whether it's conservative former Firefly cast members or one of the assholes at Breitbart or some bitter nobody on Twitter, these people have ideological axes to grind, plain and simple. The kind of people who think women getting the vote was already bad enough. The only thing these people care about conserving are preexisting power structures. They're a social extension of every other far-right movement in the Western world. If they could have just refrained from their incessant bloviating and simply ignored Anita, she would be some nobody blogger with some irrelevantly tiny fanbase in some nondescript corner of the internet, but these guys don't know how to leave well enough alone and like to turn non-stories into federal cases.

That being said, I personally don't care for Anita and her ilk myself. So-called "SJWs" like her can be annoying and asinine at times, but I don't hate them, and as with most forms of political correctness I think it's coming from a good place, but that it's ultimately pointless and doesn't advance "social justice." I saw her video about Bayonetta, rolled my eyes at it because I thought it was inane and decided to just ignore her and go on my merry little way. The way I see it, the portrayal of females (and males) in games should be whatever the developer feels best suits their target demographic and/or their own personal artistic vision. I think there's room for both hypersexualized portrayals like those in Dragon's Crown as well as more modest and strong female characters like Faith from Mirror's Edge (of course, there's still the debate of whether or not characters like Bayonetta are strong female characters who look sexy or are simply sexist). Hell, several years ago I wrote up my own concept for a Halo game where one of the minor female Spartans is the main protagonist; her particular job in the Halo canon just happened to fit my story ideas.

But as for supposedly "sexist" portrayals of women in games, it just so happens that Japanese developers are responsible for many of them, but they come from a very different culture, so some American getting offended by the proclivities of non-Western developers is kind of pointless. Japan does it's own thing regardless of what some gaijin thinks. And even when the portrayal came from a Western dev, I still think it's pointless. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple as that. I don't like Fox "News" and think it poisons discourse in America and makes a mockery of real journalism, so I don't watch it. There's a large market for right-wing news outlets, and I've come to accept that as something that will not change any time soon. There's also a market for games that have females with skimpy clothes and jiggle physics, and that's not going to change no matter how much the Anita Sarkeesians of the world hate it. She has every right to complain about games like Bayonetta all day if she wants, and she should be able to do so without having to fear for her well-being because some asshole got a hair up his ass and decided it'd be a peachy keen idea to harass and threaten her. But honestly I think the efforts of those like her would be better spent tapping into a market for games that aren't sexist. A well-crafted, polished, fun game with a strong, well-developed female protagonist who isn't simple eye candy could still sell very well.

Complaining about either perceived sexism or "social justice agendas" in the arts and entertainment is ultimately a fruitless task, with both sides blowing a lot of hot air. It's a battle of "evil vs. stupid" to me, and honestly there's a lot more serious issues to be discussing, even in regards to video gaming. As for Mirror's Edge 2, I don't care one way or the other if Anita is part of the development process. I only care if it's a good game.


This is actually a very sensible post. She doesn't pose a threat to the industry. If people are very opposed to radical feminist views they are better off not watching. I guess I can stomach it more than most. When people get so pissed off it clouds their judgement and gives more power to the one who they are trying to stop from gaining power. Inadvetently this gives her exactly what she wants, which is why shes launched a campaign now against online harassment. If she hasn't recieved a book deal I wouldn't blame her because gamers gave her all the power. Zoey Quinn is why Gamergate started, but she doesn't tolerate gamers bull. She will argue with them until the sun comes up. There are sections to what Anita said that can be responded to while other things should just be kept as a mental note rather than responded to. The problem with her, she hasnt realized games have been giving females a more prominent roles without the need of a prominent feminist voice. Games are affected by culture and women have a more prominent role in the western world today, which is why games are starting to cater to them more. What Anita demands is a stronger female presence, but if to a degree her words are heeded they can help. She needs to understand that there is characters are subject to the artistic voice of an overall story and sometimes you cannot change that. Her main problem is with the Japanese audience with half of the things shes saying, but America is no slouch with games that only see things from a male perspective like Grand Theft Auto.



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Anita thinks her views and interpretations of what a specific female character represent are absolute. Yes, you can see that there's a problem if you take video games as a whole, but ico is not what she says it is.

The Last of Us, for an example, had a male character that was driven by the death of a female character, and his main quest was to protect another. There might be something meta there that ridicules these "tropes" but the story was good, period, and it actually features the most badass and empowered female characters in their given situation.

Edit: I disgree with her ridiculous solutions and I I'm annoyed by her superstar status but completely believe that the things she put on the spotlight will change things for the better... Unless she's directly involved...



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Nem said:

Theres nothing to talk about. Shes not involved.

I dont like mirrors edge anyways. Game about moving up to the areas that are colored in a white and grey game. I didnt get what the fuss was about.


Look at the title of my post. Even if she wasnt involved there was a rumor about her being involved and the internet blew up because of her again.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
Nem said:

Theres nothing to talk about. Shes not involved.

I dont like mirrors edge anyways. Game about moving up to the areas that are colored in a white and grey game. I didnt get what the fuss was about.


Look at the title of my post. Even if she wasnt involved there was a rumor about her being involved and the internet blew up because of her again.


I answered that on the poll. I picked "dont care" if you must know.



Nem said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Look at the title of my post. Even if she wasnt involved there was a rumor about her being involved and the internet blew up because of her again.


I answered that on the poll. I picked "dont care" if you must know.


"Theres nothing to talk about. Shes not involved. "

I agree to a degree that this shouldn't be a big deal. The problem much like in my title say isthat people are talking about it in a negative light over the issue of Mirrors Edge 2. Its not completely about her being in it, but rather the reaction. Regardless, you've said you're peace and you've moved on, so i'll leave you to it.



Simple answer really. People are stupid. The idea of mob mentality appears on internet. The irony surrounding her is laughable sometimes (not her but the points she's trying to make).



Hmm, pie.