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ioi said:
kowenicki said:

I wasnt insinuating anything.

On the bold, its kind of obvious.... somewhere else (not Europe and the US)  Given you just said you cant tack those markets then there is your answer.

Or are you saying that if you cant track a market and the shipments show an obvious discrepancy then it has to be ignored by you rather than just lumping them somewhere? 

 

It isn't a case of being ignored, just a case of accounting for where those sales are being made rather than just "lumping them somewhere". Did it see a sudden surge last year in Latin America, in some Asian countries, Africa, the Middle East or in a few of these regions?

If you can find me some third-party data that shows where more than 1m Xbox 360s were sold in 2014 outside of the US and Europe then I will happily adjust our data to reflect that, but I can't simply lump an extra 20k per week to the total just to make you happy.

Not asking you to. But you have confirmed the reality here, so its fine.  You have said that you cant throw numbers somewhere (I appreciate this) although you seem to accept there is a discrepancy due to shipments being far higher than sell through. 

You do accept that over 3.3m between factory and stores is too high I take it?  (for a console seriously on the wane and a new console with moderate demand)



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kowenicki said:

Not asking you to. But you have confirmed the reality here, so its fine.  You have said that you cant throw numbers somewhere (I appreciate this) although you seem to accept there is a discrepancy due to shipments being far higher than sell through. 

You do accept that over 3.3m between factory and stores is too high I take it?  (for a console seriously on the wane and a new console with moderate demand)

Yes, of course a difference of 3.3m between reported shipments and sell-through is higher than would be expected and yes one of the explanations for this could be increased sales in some regions that we don't track very well over the last 12-18 months but until we know that this is definitely the case and know in which regions (either by direct research or via some third-party information) then we won't be making rash adjustments.



ioi said:
kowenicki said:

Not asking you to. But you have confirmed the reality here, so its fine.  You have said that you cant throw numbers somewhere (I appreciate this) although you seem to accept there is a discrepancy due to shipments being far higher than sell through. 

You do accept that over 3.3m between factory and stores is too high I take it?  (for a console seriously on the wane and a new console with moderate demand)

Yes, of course a difference of 3.3m between reported shipments and sell-through is higher than would be expected and yes one of the explanations for this could be increased sales in some regions that we don't track very well over the last 12-18 months but until we know that this is definitely the case and know in which regions (either by direct research or via some third-party information) then we won't be making rash adjustments.

OK. I find it odd considering the numbers are estimations and I think you can safely estimate they are ROW... but ok.

One last thing.... why is npd so different for 360 but nothing else?



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TheDrill said:
heavily undertracked, but the numbers were corrected, but still the must be adjusted so X1 is closer to the PS4 in the USA.

They are talking about the x360 not x1. And VGC numbers are quite close to NPD and been a little more favourable to x1 so the gap is real.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

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kowenicki said:
ioi said:
kowenicki said:

Not asking you to. But you have confirmed the reality here, so its fine.  You have said that you cant throw numbers somewhere (I appreciate this) although you seem to accept there is a discrepancy due to shipments being far higher than sell through. 

You do accept that over 3.3m between factory and stores is too high I take it?  (for a console seriously on the wane and a new console with moderate demand)

Yes, of course a difference of 3.3m between reported shipments and sell-through is higher than would be expected and yes one of the explanations for this could be increased sales in some regions that we don't track very well over the last 12-18 months but until we know that this is definitely the case and know in which regions (either by direct research or via some third-party information) then we won't be making rash adjustments.

OK. I find it odd considering the numbers are estimations and I think you can safely estimate they are ROW... but ok.

One last thing.... why is npd so different for 360 but nothing else?


Kowen... Look at the ps4 10M sold through announcement to see ioi explanation. Basically since ioi have numbers for a lot of individual countries in RoW he can't dump them anywhere because that would make his premium accounts receive bogus data. Besides he wasn't keen on making a "nowhere group" to dump them.

 

But I'm also interested in NPD and germany discrepancies although their statistical error is close and ioi considered acceptable in raw they represenT Like 2M difference.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

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Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

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Actually with the lAtest Sony numbers coupled with AMD's report... We know there were 30 million Console APus shipped on dec 31st... Sony had sold 19.9 millions of these to the channel (18.5 to customers)... 

Where does that put MS, 10.1 million xb1 sold to stores as of dec 31st... Somewhere between 8 and 9 million to clients (sony had 1.5 million ps4 in the channel if the numbers are correct) ... I would be surprised if MS managed to sell 1 million more units since Jan first... The total is likely below 10 millions by today's date (Feb 3rd)... Likely well below the 11.2 listed on the main page of the site as of now..

while the PS4 has about twice as many units sold world wide! And a pretty amazing games lineup ahead for owners of this console should make 2015 something interesting to see unveiling before us gamers!




darkenergy said:
People are actually making up "facts"? WOW!



You know Kowenicki is the king of living in a dream world and making up facts


So please don't take anything Kowenicki and probably Seece(cause they are a couple) say for the truth
They are heavily biased and just want their Xbox to win.
There is a reason those 2 aren't in the Amazon monthly threads and fight here a Xbox is undertracked fight just for the fun of it i guess
And we know from checked Gaf members Microsoft shipped X1s worth for a quarter just to fake the shipment numbers and to look better in public and can't sell now cause the PS4 wrecks it again.
This probably happened to the X360 too - Now probably 2 Million africans have X360s they never wanted just cause Microsoft wanted to dump them somewhere so they can say they were shipped.

I can't take this comment seriously LOL



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kowenicki said:

OK. I find it odd considering the numbers are estimations and I think you can safely estimate they are ROW... but ok.

One last thing.... why is npd so different for 360 but nothing else?


But there  has to be some logic / sense behind it. This is our annual data for Xbox 360:

Xbox 360 Americas Europe Japan Others Total
2012 7.43 2.53 0.07 0.66 10.69
2013 4.07 1.57 0.02 0.48 6.14
2014 1.84 0.71 0.01 0.21 2.77

If we make the assumption that the Americas, Europe and Japan columns are accurate (based on comparisons to NPD, GFK, Chart-Track, Media Create etc) then as you say the only difference is in "Others" so are you suggesting that sales in those regions were higher in 2014 than in 2012? This could potentially be the case but do we have any evidence to actually support this? Was there a big launch in a developing country or any evidence of sales picking up significantly (compared the the expected drop at the end of the gen)?

For comparison sake, here is the same data for PS3:

PlayStation 3 Americas Europe Japan Others Total
2012 4.21 4.82 1.23 1.71 11.97
2013 2.76 3.08 0.84 1.37 8.05
2014 0.91 1.66 0.49 0.85

3.91

Have you got the NPD data to hand (or a link) - I wasn't actually aware that there was that large a discrepancy. Are you comparing to proper LTD NPD data or LTDs made up of adding up each monthly report they release?



alabtrosMyster said:

Actually with the lAtest Sony numbers coupled with AMD's report... We know there were 30 million Console APus shipped on dec 31st... Sony had sold 19.9 millions of these to the channel (18.5 to customers)... 

Where does that put MS, 10.1 million xb1 sold to stores as of dec 31st... Somewhere between 8 and 9 million to clients (sony had 1.5 million ps4 in the channel if the numbers are correct) ... I would be surprised if MS managed to sell 1 million more units since Jan first... The total is likely below 10 millions by today's date (Feb 3rd)... Likely well below the 11.2 listed on the main page of the site as of now..

while the PS4 has about twice as many units sold world wide! And a pretty amazing games lineup ahead for owners of this console should make 2015 something interesting to see unveiling before us gamers!


Hahaha! You know that makes absolutely no sense right? 360 shipments are dropping hard and compared to Seece you just gave it around 3.9 million shipped and Xbox One only 2.7m shipped. That's ridiculous.



alabtrosMyster said:

Actually with the lAtest Sony numbers coupled with AMD's report... We know there were 30 million Console APus shipped on dec 31st... Sony had sold 19.9 millions of these to the channel (18.5 to customers)... 

Where does that put MS, 10.1 million xb1 sold to stores as of dec 31st... Somewhere between 8 and 9 million to clients (sony had 1.5 million ps4 in the channel if the numbers are correct) ... I would be surprised if MS managed to sell 1 million more units since Jan first... The total is likely below 10 millions by today's date (Feb 3rd)... Likely well below the 11.2 listed on the main page of the site as of now..

while the PS4 has about twice as many units sold world wide! And a pretty amazing games lineup ahead for owners of this console should make 2015 something interesting to see unveiling before us gamers!

Actually, I think they confirmed that was sold through to customers rather than shipped.



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