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http://nintendoenthusiast.com/article/no-mr-adelman-youre-wrong-nintendos-third-party-situation/

I think this is a pretty good read.



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Good read but I disagree with Adelman. I think the course Nintendo is taking is actually a solid route. Their focus on the indie scene has brought more developers to the Nintendo fold and some developers are actually seeking out Nintendo for their games. Since indie games are the biggest source of new creativity in gaming it means that Nintendo systems are on the forefront of a interesting situation.

Yes it is a loss to not have the big AAA franchises on their system, but overall it isn't really missing much. Nintendo and the indies do offer so much that it makes it hard to really miss them.



Strange article.. So instead of having the best first party games together with good third party games the writer doesn't want that? He thinks everything is fine like this? Nintendo is clearly not big enough to keep pumping first party games on a regular level to maintain interest from the general public.. Why wouldn't you want third party games to fill up the gap? Its clearly losing a generation of kids to tablets and phones.. This way Nintendo will have a problem when Angry Birds appeals to many like Mario does.



 

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I think Nintendo needs 3rd party games if anything so they can more easily fill a decent release schedule. Think about every drought the Wii u has had and think about how much better things would have been if there were 3rd party games to fill the gap.



RolStoppable said:
The article is written on a wrong premise. Adelman didn't say what Nintendo should do, he said what he thinks that Nintendo has to do in order to break the cycle of crappy third party games on their home consoles: Essentially, Nintendo has to pay the entire development and marketing of third party games. I would say that he is spot on with that assertion, because it really looks like nothing short of that will change anything. Of course, that's not what Nintendo should do.

The article made some good points, but it also had a few bad spots.


I agree. What they would need to do and what they should do from a business perspective are probably very different.



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RolStoppable said:
NiKKoM said:
Strange article.. So instead of having the best first party games together with good third party games the writer doesn't want that? He thinks everything is fine like this? Nintendo is clearly not big enough to keep pumping first party games on a regular level to maintain interest from the general public.. Why wouldn't you want third party games to fill up the gap? Its clearly losing a generation of kids to tablets and phones.. This way Nintendo will have a problem when Angry Birds appeals to many like Mario does.

It read more like the writer wasn't interested in having crappy third party games and he would rather have that Nintendo keeps reaching out for collaborations with selected third parties. It's a reasonable thought process when you take sales history into account. There were hardly any multiplatform games that moved Nintendo hardware, and I only say "hardly" because I couldn't be bothered to verify that there were none at all.

Only Just Dance for the Wii late on its life and Tetris for the Gameboy. I'm very sure every other Nintendo console had very low selling 3rd party games (except SNES, but those didn't move the hardware numbers anyway).



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bunchanumbers said:
Good read but I disagree with Adelman. I think the course Nintendo is taking is actually a solid route. Their focus on the indie scene has brought more developers to the Nintendo fold and some developers are actually seeking out Nintendo for their games. Since indie games are the biggest source of new creativity in gaming it means that Nintendo systems are on the forefront of a interesting situation.

Yes it is a loss to not have the big AAA franchises on their system, but overall it isn't really missing much. Nintendo and the indies do offer so much that it makes it hard to really miss them.


I disagree I think missing AAA francises is a huge loss. I can say for a fact that I would have got a nintendo system if they would make a system that could compete with PS4 and X1. They already have a great first party line up and always release quality games. Now you add all the great third party games like Dragon Age, Mass Effect, Witcher and it's just an obvious choice for best console.

Sony wins simply because they have third party support. Add to that there first party line up which is not as good but they constantly try new IP's which is always nice.



Very good, agree 1000000%



Very interesting Point/Counterpoint going on here where I happen to agree with both sides. As soon as Dan made those comments, I was thinking "That is what would be necessary, but is it a good idea?", and this article basically voices those concerns.

I do think that the "we don't need third parties" view is a little bullshit. Third parties make a lot of great titles, despite all of the bullshit and I certainly don't think any Nintendo fan would object to said games existing on the console.

Whether it makes business sense, I don't know. It is a very slippery slope...you start paying for third parties, whos to say there will ever come a time when you can stop? If you say, "we will pay you if we need to", than third parties will always say that you need to. That isn't a good situation for Nintendo, especially when they are starting this climb looking up at a sheer faced mountain.

On the other hand, if Nintendo does somehow pull it off and somehow creates that fanbase on Nintendo consoles who are hungry for that third party content (and can actually trust that third party content), third parties will not turn a blind eye to it. They will go where the money is. However, it is a steep and expensive climb.

I think that Nintendo gets a little too much flak for their "treatment" of third parties, when the street goes both ways. No matter what, it is not an enviable position to be in...



method114 said:
bunchanumbers said:
Good read but I disagree with Adelman. I think the course Nintendo is taking is actually a solid route. Their focus on the indie scene has brought more developers to the Nintendo fold and some developers are actually seeking out Nintendo for their games. Since indie games are the biggest source of new creativity in gaming it means that Nintendo systems are on the forefront of a interesting situation.

Yes it is a loss to not have the big AAA franchises on their system, but overall it isn't really missing much. Nintendo and the indies do offer so much that it makes it hard to really miss them.


I disagree I think missing AAA francises is a huge loss. I can say for a fact that I would have got a nintendo system if they would make a system that could compete with PS4 and X1. They already have a great first party line up and always release quality games. Now you add all the great third party games like Dragon Age, Mass Effect, Witcher and it's just an obvious choice for best console.

Sony wins simply because they have third party support. Add to that there first party line up which is not as good but they constantly try new IP's which is always nice.


If this is the case why didn't you go PC? If you win simply because you have 3rd party wouldn't PC be the natural choice for gaming? Plus you get your games at incredibly low prices and you get the best versions of all games. Its what I use for 3rd party games when a 3rd party publisher skips Wii U.