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outlawauron on 26 January 2015
97alexk said:

Well, Wii U's library has variety and it does have a small amount of third party support, Nintendo does lack alot of third party support no denying in that. I just see a different approach that nintendo takes. Nintendo focus on making a s uccess with only first party titles alone and mature third party titles on the side to push the library, and xbox one and ps4 mostly are successfull with there third party support. OFC ps4 and xbox one does have very good first party titles like uncharted for playstation and halo for xbox, but its nothing compared to the amount of great first party games nintendo has. Also i say it again, just because you have more games coming out, doesnt mean they are all good or even fun for that matter. Ok i know this will upset alot ,but for me the majority of games on ps4 and xbox one feel kinda the same with few exceptions ofc. Like sunset overdrive maybe, even though im not interested in that game. Mostly the good selling software are FPS games, in first person view, or car racing games likre forza. Destiny is FPS, COD is FPS, assassins creed however has become just like COD, you can say what you want about unity, but its not that impressive. I think those big hitter FPS games over shadow the games that have real potential on ps4 and xbox one. I can say that though, in 2015 the line up for xbox one and ps4 looks alot more varied, with games like EVOLVE, wait isnt that a FPS aswell? lol, and bloodborne and so on. I would maybe get a ps4 just because for star wars battlefront , but i could just get it on PC. So i stick with Wii U and 3DS :)

Wii U's library does have some good games, but it has a complete lack of variety. There are plenty of options in the genres that Nintendo develops, but there are so many holes in which entire genres are completely unrepresented.



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gigaSheik on 26 January 2015

The blue ocean audience is playing smartphones and tablets. Its over.



Soundwave on 26 January 2015
gigaSheik said:
The blue ocean audience is playing smartphones and tablets. Its over.


Even Nintendo has accepted this. Pretty sure their internal polling/research with that audience pretty much told them as much too, they keep regular tabs on the female gamer and casual gamer in general. The results they got back probably weren't pretty these last few years. 



97alexk on 26 January 2015
generic-user-1 said:
97alexk said:
Zekkyou said:
97alexk said:

First off im not critizing the other consoles and there audience, im talking about the audiences like people who mostly like gritty games, and there are a plenty of nintendo haters out there . I seen it. Also Wii U's library is really good, ps4 and xbox one has hardly any good quality first party titles, and if they do they have done a bad job making them noticeable. Saying that the Wii U library is lacking is ignorant. There only exist different opinions and taste towards games.

No it's not, at least on a general scale. There is no denying the subjective quality of the WiiU's library, but its near complete lack of 3rd party support has starved it (resulting in the frequent release droughts). It doesn't matter how good Nintendo's own titles are, without the variety and quantity offered by all the developers and publishers that support PS and Xbox, you're not going to be able to attract a wide audience, just Nintendo fans. Sony and MS's own 1st party offerings are just the icing on the cake for most people.

The proof is somewhat in the pudding though. Go have a look at the WiiU and PS4/X1's retail release schedule for the next few months. The WiiU is currently going through another drought, so i'm sure you can imagine what it looks like.

Again, i'm not downplaying the quality of Nintendo's own titles, they're among the best in the industry. That just doesn't do much to fix the WiiU's current situation (regardless to how great a console it may be to those of us who really enjoy Nintendo titles).


Well, Wii U's library has variety and it does have a small amount of third party support, Nintendo does lack alot of third party support no denying in that. I just see a different approach that nintendo takes. Nintendo focus on making a s uccess with only first party titles alone and mature third party titles on the side to push the library, and xbox one and ps4 mostly are successfull with there third party support. OFC ps4 and xbox one does have very good first party titles like uncharted for playstation and halo for xbox, but its nothing compared to the amount of great first party games nintendo has. Also i say it again, just because you have more games coming out, doesnt mean they are all good or even fun for that matter. Ok i know this will upset alot ,but for me the majority of games on ps4 and xbox one feel kinda the same with few exceptions ofc. Like sunset overdrive maybe, even though im not interested in that game. Mostly the good selling software are FPS games, in first person view, or car racing games likre forza. Destiny is FPS, COD is FPS, assassins creed however has become just like COD, you can say what you want about unity, but its not that impressive. I think those big hitter FPS games over shadow the games that have real potential on ps4 and xbox one. I can say that though, in 2015 the line up for xbox one and ps4 looks alot more varied, with games like EVOLVE, wait isnt that a FPS aswell? lol, and bloodborne and so on. I would maybe get a ps4 just because for star wars battlefront , but i could just get it on PC. So i stick with Wii U and 3DS :)


1. Evolve is more a store front to sell dlc than a full AAA game. 2. nintendo doesnt need the AAA titles, they need the AA titles, but those arent made anymore, thats nintendos biggest problem. nintendo has to creat a new ecosystem for those games and everything is fine for nintendo again.


I fully agree with you there.



97alexk on 26 January 2015
outlawauron said:
97alexk said:

Well, Wii U's library has variety and it does have a small amount of third party support, Nintendo does lack alot of third party support no denying in that. I just see a different approach that nintendo takes. Nintendo focus on making a s uccess with only first party titles alone and mature third party titles on the side to push the library, and xbox one and ps4 mostly are successfull with there third party support. OFC ps4 and xbox one does have very good first party titles like uncharted for playstation and halo for xbox, but its nothing compared to the amount of great first party games nintendo has. Also i say it again, just because you have more games coming out, doesnt mean they are all good or even fun for that matter. Ok i know this will upset alot ,but for me the majority of games on ps4 and xbox one feel kinda the same with few exceptions ofc. Like sunset overdrive maybe, even though im not interested in that game. Mostly the good selling software are FPS games, in first person view, or car racing games likre forza. Destiny is FPS, COD is FPS, assassins creed however has become just like COD, you can say what you want about unity, but its not that impressive. I think those big hitter FPS games over shadow the games that have real potential on ps4 and xbox one. I can say that though, in 2015 the line up for xbox one and ps4 looks alot more varied, with games like EVOLVE, wait isnt that a FPS aswell? lol, and bloodborne and so on. I would maybe get a ps4 just because for star wars battlefront , but i could just get it on PC. So i stick with Wii U and 3DS :)

Wii U's library does have some good games, but it has a complete lack of variety. There are plenty of options in the genres that Nintendo develops, but there are so many holes in which entire genres are completely unrepresented.


I dont agree with those though. They just dont want the games that xbox one and ps4 has. Those 2 games are already battling it out. Wii U is still doings its own thing. Lets see how nintendo does in the future!



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97alexk on 26 January 2015
Zekkyou said:
97alexk said:

Well, Wii U's library has variety and it does have a small amount of third party support, Nintendo does lack alot of third party support no denying in that. I just see a different approach that nintendo takes. Nintendo focus on making a s uccess with only first party titles alone and mature third party titles on the side to push the library, and xbox one and ps4 mostly are successfull with there third party support. OFC ps4 and xbox one does have very good first party titles like uncharted for playstation and halo for xbox, but its nothing compared to the amount of great first party games nintendo has. Also i say it again, just because you have more games coming out, doesnt mean they are all good or even fun for that matter. Ok i know this will upset alot ,but for me the majority of games on ps4 and xbox one feel kinda the same with few exceptions ofc. Like sunset overdrive maybe, even though im not interested in that game. Mostly the good selling software are FPS games, in first person view, or car racing games likre forza. Destiny is FPS, COD is FPS, assassins creed however has become just like COD, you can say what you want about unity, but its not that impressive. I think those big hitter FPS games over shadow the games that have real potential on ps4 and xbox one. I can say that though, in 2015 the line up for xbox one and ps4 looks alot more varied, with games like EVOLVE, wait isnt that a FPS aswell? lol, and bloodborne and so on. I would maybe get a ps4 just because for star wars battlefront , but i could just get it on PC. So i stick with Wii U and 3DS :)

The issue still remains that the WiiU's only real appeal as a primary system is to Nintendo fans (or those willing to buy a 2nd/3rd system). That is, on a general scale, a lacking library.

It's true that more releases doesn't ensure quality, but it does greatly improve the probability that you will appeal to more people. In February and March the PS4 has 12 retail games spanning 7 genres releasing in NA (and sub-genres within those). The WiiU has Mario Party 10 and Kirby.  That's it. It doesn't matter how good they could potentially be (though i have no faith in MP10 lol), they won't capture the interest of as many people as the PS4's line up will. That means the PS4's is, again on a general scale, much more likely to be "better".

On a side note, i think you're generalizing genres a bit too much. Just because two games fall under the same basic group, doesn't mean they should be treated as the same game. For example FarCry 4 and COD are both "FPS", yet are completely different. So different in-fact i'm able to love the former while disliking the latter :p

Can you tell me all those 12 titles for the ps4`?



Zekkyou on 26 January 2015
97alexk said:
Zekkyou said:

The issue still remains that the WiiU's only real appeal as a primary system is to Nintendo fans (or those willing to buy a 2nd/3rd system). That is, on a general scale, a lacking library.

It's true that more releases doesn't ensure quality, but it does greatly improve the probability that you will appeal to more people. In February and March the PS4 has 12 retail games spanning 7 genres releasing in NA (and sub-genres within those). The WiiU has Mario Party 10 and Kirby.  That's it. It doesn't matter how good they could potentially be (though i have no faith in MP10 lol), they won't capture the interest of as many people as the PS4's line up will. That means the PS4's is, again on a general scale, much more likely to be "better".

On a side note, i think you're generalizing genres a bit too much. Just because two games fall under the same basic group, doesn't mean they should be treated as the same game. For example FarCry 4 and COD are both "FPS", yet are completely different. So different in-fact i'm able to love the former while disliking the latter :p

Can you tell me all those 12 titles for the ps4`?

Sure :) Retail titles order by NA release (Feb 10th to March 31st):

- Evolve
- Rugby 15
- Dead or Alive 5 Last Round
- Dragon Ball Xenoverse
- The Order: 1886
- Resident Evil: Revelations 2
- DmC: Devil May Cry
- Battlefield: Hardline
- Final Fantasy Type-0 HD (+ FF15 Demo in CC)
- Project CARS
- Bloodborne
- Borderlands: The Handsome Collection
- MLB 15: The Show 

It's actually 13 not 12 (i miss counted), but you get the idea. You could count it as 11 though if you exclude the BL collection and DMC (i personally wouldn't but i can understand why some would). Type-0 is also technically a remake, but the original PSP title was never released outside of Japan so i'd say it's functionally a new game to the overwhelming majority of people in NA/EU, so excluding it wouldn't make much sense in this context.

I'm personally only interested in a few of them, but objectively i'd say it's a pretty good line up for Feb and March. Most PS4 owners should see at least 1 they're interested in (i'd assume, anyway).



Burek on 26 January 2015
Zekkyou said:
97alexk said:
Zekkyou said:

The issue still remains that the WiiU's only real appeal as a primary system is to Nintendo fans (or those willing to buy a 2nd/3rd system). That is, on a general scale, a lacking library.

It's true that more releases doesn't ensure quality, but it does greatly improve the probability that you will appeal to more people. In February and March the PS4 has 12 retail games spanning 7 genres releasing in NA (and sub-genres within those). The WiiU has Mario Party 10 and Kirby.  That's it. It doesn't matter how good they could potentially be (though i have no faith in MP10 lol), they won't capture the interest of as many people as the PS4's line up will. That means the PS4's is, again on a general scale, much more likely to be "better".

On a side note, i think you're generalizing genres a bit too much. Just because two games fall under the same basic group, doesn't mean they should be treated as the same game. For example FarCry 4 and COD are both "FPS", yet are completely different. So different in-fact i'm able to love the former while disliking the latter :p

Can you tell me all those 12 titles for the ps4`?

Sure :) Retail titles order by NA release (Feb 10th to March 31st):

- Evolve
- Rugby 15
- Dead or Alive 5 Last Round
- Dragon Ball Xenoverse
- The Order: 1886
- Resident Evil: Revelations 2
- DmC: Devil May Cry
- Battlefield: Hardline
- Final Fantasy Type-0 HD (+ FF15 Demo in CC)
- Project CARS
- Bloodborne
- Borderlands: The Handsome Collection
- MLB 15: The Show 

It's actually 13 not 12 (i miss counted), but you get the idea. You could count it as 11 though if you exclude the BL collection and DMC (i personally wouldn't but i can understand why some would). Type-0 is also technically a remake, but the original PSP title was never released outside of Japan so i'd say it's functionally a new game to the overwhelming majority of people in NA/EU, so excluding it wouldn't make much sense in this context.

I'm personally only interested in a few of them, but objectively i'd say it's a pretty good line up for Feb and March. Most PS4 owners should see at least 1 they're interested in (i'd assume, anyway).


You are missing: 

Toukiden Kiwami

Bladestorm: Nightmare

Dynasty Warriors 8: Empires

Sniper Elite 3 Ultimate Edition



97alexk on 26 January 2015
Zekkyou said:
97alexk said:
Zekkyou said:

The issue still remains that the WiiU's only real appeal as a primary system is to Nintendo fans (or those willing to buy a 2nd/3rd system). That is, on a general scale, a lacking library.

It's true that more releases doesn't ensure quality, but it does greatly improve the probability that you will appeal to more people. In February and March the PS4 has 12 retail games spanning 7 genres releasing in NA (and sub-genres within those). The WiiU has Mario Party 10 and Kirby.  That's it. It doesn't matter how good they could potentially be (though i have no faith in MP10 lol), they won't capture the interest of as many people as the PS4's line up will. That means the PS4's is, again on a general scale, much more likely to be "better".

On a side note, i think you're generalizing genres a bit too much. Just because two games fall under the same basic group, doesn't mean they should be treated as the same game. For example FarCry 4 and COD are both "FPS", yet are completely different. So different in-fact i'm able to love the former while disliking the latter :p

Can you tell me all those 12 titles for the ps4`?

Sure :) Retail titles order by NA release (Feb 10th to March 31st):

- Evolve
- Rugby 15
- Dead or Alive 5 Last Round
- Dragon Ball Xenoverse
- The Order: 1886
- Resident Evil: Revelations 2
- DmC: Devil May Cry
- Battlefield: Hardline
- Final Fantasy Type-0 HD (+ FF15 Demo in CC)
- Project CARS
- Bloodborne
- Borderlands: The Handsome Collection
- MLB 15: The Show 

It's actually 13 not 12 (i miss counted), but you get the idea. You could count it as 11 though if you exclude the BL collection and DMC (i personally wouldn't but i can understand why some would). Type-0 is also technically a remake, but the original PSP title was never released outside of Japan so i'd say it's functionally a new game to the overwhelming majority of people in NA/EU, so excluding it wouldn't make much sense in this context.

I'm personally only interested in a few of them, but objectively i'd say it's a pretty good line up for Feb and March. Most PS4 owners should see at least 1 they're interested in (i'd assume, anyway).


Thats one impressive line-up, personally not my taste, but still impressive. So many third party support. Cool :)



Zekkyou on 26 January 2015
97alexk said:
Zekkyou said:

Sure :) Retail titles order by NA release (Feb 10th to March 31st):

- Evolve
- Rugby 15
- Dead or Alive 5 Last Round
- Dragon Ball Xenoverse
- The Order: 1886
- Resident Evil: Revelations 2
- DmC: Devil May Cry
- Battlefield: Hardline
- Final Fantasy Type-0 HD (+ FF15 Demo in CC)
- Project CARS
- Bloodborne
- Borderlands: The Handsome Collection
- MLB 15: The Show 

It's actually 13 not 12 (i miss counted), but you get the idea. You could count it as 11 though if you exclude the BL collection and DMC (i personally wouldn't but i can understand why some would). Type-0 is also technically a remake, but the original PSP title was never released outside of Japan so i'd say it's functionally a new game to the overwhelming majority of people in NA/EU, so excluding it wouldn't make much sense in this context.

I'm personally only interested in a few of them, but objectively i'd say it's a pretty good line up for Feb and March. Most PS4 owners should see at least 1 they're interested in (i'd assume, anyway).


Thats one impressive line-up, personally not my taste, but still impressive. So many third party support. Cool :)

Yeah, i think so ^^ Apparently i missed a few titles too (see Burek's post above, though i'm not sure i'd count SE3:UE).

I feel i should note again though that i'm not trying to take away from the quality of Nintendo's own offerings. If you're a fan of their games (like me), then the WiiU is a fantastic console. It's a shame it doesn't receive a similar degree of 3rd party support as the PS4 and X1. I have no doubt it would be selling pretty damn well if it did.