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binary solo said:

I know, totally wierd.

I suppose I have to throw screenplay into the mix too, that way it's 100%. And Selma has not been nominated for Screenplay either. In fact when you look through the A-list category nominations you have to scratch your head as to how Selma managed to get onto the best picture list. It has 2 nominations: 1 for song and the other for best picture. When was the last time a movie was nominated for best picture but was not even nominated for any other award that would actually contribute to making a film the best picture of the year?

I can't be bothered doing the research, but this seems pretty unprecedented. 

Knowing that Selma has no other meaningful nominations the likelihood of it winning is extremely low.

159 reviews, 99% positive, average review score of 8.7/10. It is rare for the collective bunch of reviewers to be that universal in praise.

Oh, I don't doubt that it's largely political. It's the kind of "important" film they feel obligated to acknowledge, but there's an almost palpable lack of enthusiasm about it, perhaps because 12 Years a Slave won last year.



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binary solo said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


No. I just think its absurd to think everything is about racism. All that will lead to is paranoia in life if you get worried about things that more than likely isnt that way. I try to be as reational as possible about things, which is why if I become inquisitive as to why thigs happen I try to run all of the angles and understand the situations. Also another reason why I try to read up as much about psychology and sociology as possible.

It's the "probable cause" phrase that made me ask, not the race thing. Though I should have asked if you were a lawyer, or a judge as well. It's as much a lawyery phrase as a cop phrase. I doubt we have a single judge as a member of this forum, so you being a judge is about 0.0000001% probable.


Yes, probable cause is court lingo, but it really means  that you're finding a possible reason or motive for why things happen. Anyone with half a brain can do that, including yourself. Its not only sacred to people who attended law school.



badgenome said:
binary solo said:

It's almost unheard of for best picture not to win best director, and if it doesn't win best director it always wins one or both best actor awards. Without at least one of those 3 awards a movie has no chance at best picture.

Since Selma isn't up for those individual awards the best picture nomination was merely a pity nomination.

Except for the last two years those awards have all gone to different movies.

Also since 2009 they expanded the flied of how many movies can be nominated for best picture it can be up to 10 since then so being best picture and best director winner at the same time is now less likely.



Chris Hu said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:



Thanks for correcting me, but you get my point. At least both of those films were nominated.

Also Selma is going to be okay at the box office it already made a little over $39 million and it only had a production budget of $20 million so it should eventually make at least a small profit at the box office.

 

I've already acknowledged that it sold that much and realize that it was profitable, but you know how movie houses are with their expectations. This is why I made the joke about Taken 3 outselling Selma. It could be an omen of a Taken 4 because movie houses  tend to (at times) read profit as sequels when it comes to action movies. I just hope this doesn't discourage the company from doing biopics, because I love those. 



morenoingrato said:
generic-user-1 said:
this is the year of boyhood. a bad movie that will get a lot of awards if they are lucky and that noone will remember in a year or two.
birdman should win a lot of oscars, its a freaking amazing movie.

The thing with Boyhood is that I think it has potential if you are an average white middle class American. (Maybe add with divorced parents)

Otherwise, it doesn't click and becomes boring as hell.

I think it is very safe to assume that most reviewers and critics are white, middle class, somethings. 



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badgenome said:
binary solo said:

I know, totally wierd.

I suppose I have to throw screenplay into the mix too, that way it's 100%. And Selma has not been nominated for Screenplay either. In fact when you look through the A-list category nominations you have to scratch your head as to how Selma managed to get onto the best picture list. It has 2 nominations: 1 for song and the other for best picture. When was the last time a movie was nominated for best picture but was not even nominated for any other award that would actually contribute to making a film the best picture of the year?

I can't be bothered doing the research, but this seems pretty unprecedented. 

Knowing that Selma has no other meaningful nominations the likelihood of it winning is extremely low.

159 reviews, 99% positive, average review score of 8.7/10. It is rare for the collective bunch of reviewers to be that universal in praise.

Oh, I don't doubt that it's largely political. It's the kind of "important" film they feel obligated to acknowledge, but there's an almost palpable lack of enthusiasm about it, perhaps because 12 Years a Slave won last year.


Your probably right sine 12 Years A Slave won last year it probably has pretty much no chance of winning for best picture but it probably has a very good chance at best song since that song also won at the Golden Globes it really should win because its the best song nominated the only way it can loose if they go with the most popular song again like the did last year then "Everything is Awesome" will win.



binary solo said:
Chris Hu said:
RJ_Sizzle said:
HEMSTAR said:
The only movie that got snubbed was Interstellar.


Nah. That's was Nolan's most overblown movie. It's getting nominated for the right stuff. It just shouldn't be for any of the acting, writing, or directing awads. He needs to reel himself back in again.


Exactly it got nominated for the right stuff.  Hopefully it will win for best score because that is the one thing that truely stands out about the movie.  Too bad it couldn't have been like The Right Stuff which has a great score and is a great movie and is one of the most underrated movies from the 80s.

One of my favourite movies, definitely a top 5 biopic.

Its defininetly in my top 5 as far as biopics go also.  Its also my favorite movie from 1983 and on of my favorite movies from the 80s. 



Chris Hu said:
binary solo said:

One of my favourite movies, definitely a top 5 biopic.

Its defininetly in my top 5 as far as biopics go also.  Its also my favorite movie from 1983 and on of my favorite movies from the 80s. 


I'll check that out. I don't really watch too many movies from the 80's but I do love biopics. 



S.T.A.G.E. said:
binary solo said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


No. I just think its absurd to think everything is about racism. All that will lead to is paranoia in life if you get worried about things that more than likely isnt that way. I try to be as reational as possible about things, which is why if I become inquisitive as to why thigs happen I try to run all of the angles and understand the situations. Also another reason why I try to read up as much about psychology and sociology as possible.

It's the "probable cause" phrase that made me ask, not the race thing. Though I should have asked if you were a lawyer, or a judge as well. It's as much a lawyery phrase as a cop phrase. I doubt we have a single judge as a member of this forum, so you being a judge is about 0.0000001% probable.


Yes, probable cause is court lingo, but it really means  that you're finding a possible reason or motive for why things happen. Anyone with half a brain can do that, including yourself. Its not only sacred to people who attended law school.

I only have half a brain, I can't tell if you're being snide.



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binary solo said:
Danman27 said:

So, I have to throw something out there, and who knows, a lot of people might not like to hear it. I've been hearing a lot about how the new bioflick, Selma, about MLK in the months prior to the civil rights act, is getting "snubbed" at the Oscars. And I have to ask one question. How? Seriously, How is this movies getting snubbed? It's up for best picture, which I'm not so sure it should even be up for that. And It's not that it's a bad movie at all, it's just it has A LOT of strong competition this year. The thing I'm hearing the most about is how David Oyelowo is getting snubbed for best actor. Which I'm not sure if I agree with or not, as Jake Gyllenhaal isn't up despite his amazing job in the movie nightcrawler.

But then we get to the thing I've been seeing the most. How the director should be up for best director. Why? She did a good job directing sure, but her style brought nothing new to the table if you ask me. And for the people saying she's getting snuffed, watch the movies that are up for best director, they are simple more uniquely and originally directed than Selma. Simply put selma is a Good movie, and maybe it should be up for one or two awards, but no more than that. It's a well written movie with a few very good performances, but nothing else. 

It's almost unheard of for best picture not to win best director, and if it doesn't win best director it always wins one or both best actor awards. Without at least one of those 3 awards a movie has no chance at best picture.

Since Selma isn't up for those individual awards the best picture nomination was merely a pity nomination.


I agree. It seems like people's only defense was that it was about an important person. Although, I think many other movies should be more deserving of best picture than Selma. Selma was a solid, well acted movie, but somewhat generic. Every bioflick is somewhat generic though. I'm very happy to see that no one on this thread has called me a racist for my opion.