It means there aren't enough people on Xbox LIVE. CoD: AW on Xbone is already starting to bleed active players. Had to wait 20 minutes for a lobby to fill up when it took just 3 seconds on the PS4.

And Microsoft did both hardware and software on the Xbone. Total R&D expenditure for the Xbone project exceeded $3 billion according to a former AMD employee who worked on the Xbone project. I doubt the PS4 R&D exceeded $1 million.

Apple does not spend much on R&D. They actually spend the least on R&D compared to other big tech companies. The myth that consumer electronics companies push tech needs to end. The manufacturers are the ones pushing tech. Everyone else just buys the tech from manufacturers. Apple "engineers" their components in the same way that you "engineer" a pizza from dominos when you're ordering from them. Manufacturers design the tools needed to make components and give their customers options, albeit very limited, as to how they want their components. The only big thing Apple does is decide how big they want their cores much like how you decide whether you want a small, medium or large pizza.

Also, the iPhone achieves the "same performance" as better speced phones because most apps only utilize 2 cores (And we have iPhone's popularity to thank for that). Since every smartphone is about the same in size and volume, using less cores allows you to make each core BIGGER. Bigger cores mean more transistors and nodes per core, meaning faster performance per core than a 4 or 8-core processor. A lot of Apple fans are making this per-core performance look like some magic Apple engineering when it's just basic computer engineering knowledge.

The point of multicore processors is not to get each individual core equal or superior to each core of a processor with less cores. It's to get superior TOTAL power, which the better spec Android phones give. Apple, however, can not engineer a 4 or 8-core processor that's decent, so they hold tech back by using only 2 cores and scream about how their processor has better per-core performance. What's disgusting is how Apple fans fall for it.

I'm having a hard time considering that a fact. Take Dota 2 for example. Sometimes finding a match takes few seconds, others it takes a few minutes and sometimes it can take more than 10 minutes, but there are 10M active users according to Valve. Does it mean Dota is bleeding players? No. Besides, you're almost implying you have both Xbox One and PS4 and AW on both consoles. If you made this comparison at totally different times, it becomes meaningless. PS4 can totally have its days where fewer users play AW, too. I'd like you to provide sources for the R&D numbers you gave, since you seem to be so sure of what you said.

I'd like to stop talking about Apple already since that's not the issue at hand, that'd be derailing the thread. You can make your own thread if you want to discuss that and see what everyone thinks. In any case, that mustn't be so basic since if it were basic computer engineering knowledge then everyone would be taking advantage of it and the 2-core smartphones would be a standard, since it works so well for the most recognizable and popular phone out there. Also, iOS also enjoys a very strong optimization Android devices lack. iOS always worked better (when it comes to stability at least) and faster than Android in almost every other phone except for flagships like Galaxy S series or other high-end brands. In my years as an Apple user (began at mid 2011) I've had every iPhone except 3GS, and they never, ever crashed. Apps may have crashed at some points but the OS itself never did. And how can you possibly think an X company in its prime with extremely highly profitable products (from all-in-ones to cellphones) can't conduct a proper research on how to incorporate 8-core processors efficiently on their flagships phones?! I just don't get it.

Let the haters hate. Some people are so anti-Xbox/anti-Microsoft that they can't see simple facts. Xbox One is losing less money per console than the Xbox 360. Xbox One has sold more consoles than the Xbox 360 (compared to the same timeframe for the Xbox 360's release). The Xbox 360 was a success. All of these statements lead to the simple conclusion that you cannot call the Xbox One a failure. I'm not saying it's awesome. I am saying that there are no facts that support that it is a failure. Only speculation could support that.

Yes, that is a quite important fact I didn't think of. Despite the console's bad reputation when it came out they managed to have a very strong first year (11M consoles is quite a number), and if they can play their cards right XO might be able to maintain this gap and hopefully even increase it. As of now, there is no reason of why XO can't outsell X360 (although to be fair, there is also no guarantee it will do it for sure, but it started off well).

They arent naysayers, they just are realistic and dont kid thems selves like you are.  X1 is not doing great.

You know why x1 haters are more right then xbox defenders, they have reality and facts supporting their negative xbox opinion.  You just have wishfull thinking backing you.

There is a list of facts why x1 is currently a failure, its been posted.  Only counters to it habe been hopefull opinions.

It is not only selling "like" the Xbox 360 did, it is selling better than the Xbox 360 did. You might not think that it will sell as well in its lifespan as the Xbox 360, but that isn't a fact, and the current facts would suggest that you are incorrect. That said, you are correct that it is a disappointing piece of hardware. I was let down by the Xbox One myself.

I have provided copious facts. Find my other posts in this thread if you would like to read them. Everyone saying that the Xbox One is a failure has opinions, not facts, that support this.

The 360 never had insane firesales during its first year, nor did 360's sales drop-off at the end of its first holidays like the Xbone did.

There's enough reason to believe Xbone's sales are increadibly frontloaded. The only way Microsoft can maintain sales pace withthe 360 is if they continue taking a loss of $200+ per console, and I don't think Microsoft wants to do this for the rest of this generation. Eventually, Microsoft will not be able to use the "HIgher sales than 360 measured by release time", since the 360's sales skyrocketed once stock issues were cleared up while the Xbone has no stock issues. The 360 also got a good boost from kinect.

Either the Xbone will be discontinued shortly or Microsoft continues to lose billions per year on this console. It just insn't wise to invest in the Xbone.