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SjOne on 20 January 2015

PSP was the first to have a guide button, XMB preceded the dashboard, and Eyetoy preceded the Kinect,



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S.T.A.G.E. on 20 January 2015
McDonaldsGuy said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Microsoft forever changed gaming by forcing console gamers to do what PC gamers would never do and thats pay for online gaming. Online was coming in some capacity in the future, but Microsoft brought in properly. Sega had been trying for years to accomplish this since the genesis.

I'll give you the Xbox Live dashboard. That is innovative.


Microsoft bought both Halo and Gears. They didnt invent either game. 

They bought the Kinect after Sony turned it down.

WRPG's were on Playstations before they were a thing. Ever heard of Deus Ex and Champions of Norrath?   Most of them couldnt be handled by consoles until the 360 era. You're right that Microsoft caused a mass exodus of WRPG's, but it was a mass exodus of PC games period. They had no real exclusives, so they had to use PC games to make it seem like they had them. Thats not innovative and they were coming anyway. See Carmack interviews from the game Rage. Consoles were finally ready for PC level games at that point and he considered the profitability to be there too. 

Microsoft caused a great drought of PC exclusives until Valve launched Steam.

Sega was super innovative and they were great but they bundled the Dreamcast with a 56K port, not an ethernet port.   A HUGE mistake. But it was Xbox Live that really pushed online gaming. It cost money but for a console it was worth it. PC gaming is great and all but I got many more memories with friends with Halo 2 and 3 than ever PC gaming.

Look at Sony's online for the PS2. Barely servicable (they can say they had online and that's it). In fact PSN was pretty much trying to copy Xbox Live. 

Champions of Norrath is okay, but nothing big like KOTOR, Morrowind, or even Jade Empire. Now this is important cause WRPGs are bigger than JRPGs now. As great as the PS2 was, it was a product of its time. The Xbox truly opened many doors.

The only thing Microsoft has done for gaming was innovate the online dashboard and brought PC games to consoles a generation early than they already were coming. PC games had been making an exodus since the N64 era, but only on consoles which could handle a port. Duke Nukem, Quake and other PC games were already on consoles during the N64 era. Sony created the eyetoy which came before the Kinect, so no they did not innovate, Sony did there. Microsoft bought the idea. This topic should be thank you Microsoft for buying everything, because we all know a large portion of the things you're praising for they didnt have the creativity to do themselves. Carmack of ID even admitted that consoles were finally on level with high level PC's at the beginning of the 360 era and made Rage to open itself up to that.

Halo was supposed to be a mac exclusive shooter, solidifying Apple in the PC gaming race. (This praise goes to Bungie)

Gears of War was coming regardless.  (This praise goes to Epic)

The Eyetoy was the first successful motion camera in the gaming world (This praise belongs to Sony, you guys just refuse to give it to them), Microsoft just made it a phenomenon using taking what Sony denied because they didnt need it, sending Rare to work on it and buy it. 

We should just say thank you Microsoft for buying things. Once again...no offense but they don't have it in them to make a major AAA IP themselves or anything outside of online and they still havent proven it in three generations. They still have proven it....not once like their competition have time and time again. 

We should thank Microsoft for having a good eye, but if it wasn't for Microsoft the PC realm wouldn't have had a drought of exclusives. Thank you Microsoft for good online gaming with a dashboard and all. When Halo hit consoles I was primarily a PC gamer and made the switch back to consoles because I knew after Kotor it was innevitable and I wasnt wrong. Valve is pretty much the only reason for me to go back to PC after Microsoft opened pandoras box then again maybe not since all the multiplats exist on consoles and they have the exclusives PC cannot touch the boot.

Interestingly enough, Destiny probably would've been on PC/Mac if Apple was publishing it. Then again...it wouldn't be normal if Bill gates wasnt a thorn in the side of Steve Jobs.



Maraccuda on 20 January 2015

Agree with the first 2 (although they arent that great of things).
Half agree with the 3rd point. They made an online work on the Xbox BUT also introduced subscription model which i will hate till the end of time.

The rest of the points are meh.



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MoHasanie on 20 January 2015

Its not much but at least its something.



    

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walsufnir on 20 January 2015
MoHasanie said:
Its not much but at least its something.


I guess these points don't really reflect how MS inlfuenced gaming as it is today. In my opinion, the whole scene would be quite different if MS hadn't entered the market.



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d21lewis on 20 January 2015

First console to offer Netflix.
DLC, maybe?
Custom Soundtracks (Ripped from audio CDs)
Built in HDD
Downloadable games (XBLA), maybe?
Unified Achievement system
Changeable faceplates (copied by NOBODY!)
Friends List

I could be wrong on a lot of these.



S.T.A.G.E. on 20 January 2015
d21lewis said:
First console to offer Netflix.
DLC, maybe?
Custom Soundtracks (Ripped from audio CDs)
Built in HDD
Downloadable games (XBLA), maybe?
Unified Achievement system
Changeable faceplates (copied by NOBODY!)
Friends List

I could be wrong on a lot of these.


To sum it up by all of that, they brought PC gaming to consoles. :)



d21lewis on 20 January 2015
S.T.A.G.E. said:
d21lewis said:
First console to offer Netflix.
DLC, maybe?
Custom Soundtracks (Ripped from audio CDs)
Built in HDD
Downloadable games (XBLA), maybe?
Unified Achievement system
Changeable faceplates (copied by NOBODY!)
Friends List

I could be wrong on a lot of these.


To sum it up by all of that, they brought PC gaming to consoles. :)

No arguments here!



S.T.A.G.E. on 20 January 2015
d21lewis said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


To sum it up by all of that, they brought PC gaming to consoles. :)

No arguments here!




generic-user-1 on 20 January 2015
McDonaldsGuy said:
Tachikoma said:
McDonaldsGuy said:
Tachikoma said:

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I'm being factual, you are the one trying to claim things like the above that totally got owned.

Incidentally, the achievements on the atari and nes were BETTER than the achievements on the xbox, physical goods such as stickers and sewn patches marking your achievements are much cooler than a virtual score.

Oh and on that last one, Dreamcast also had quake and unreal tournament.

No they are totally different and not comparable. I said a killer first person shooter. Quake 3 and Unreal Tournament were good but Halo 2 broke new ground.

They were all very well received and popular games, to this very day people play an updated version of quake 3 (now named quake live) in online tournaments.

Your statement was "who did first on console"

It wasnt Microsoft, sorry if thats too hard to accept.

Quake 3 on the Dreamcast did not sell 8 million or close to it, or revolutionize online gaming. By the way I used to own Quake 3 on the Dreamcast and liked it.

YOu are both wrong...  Halo realy broke new ground, but it wasnt because it was a better game, but because it was a totaly different game, quake, ut, cs, tribes, all core titles with a lot of e-sport going on, halo isnt like those games, and halo isnt like doom,wolfenstein or duke, its a clean casual fps that doenst let your parents freakout.    it made fps a genre everyone could enjoy, even if they cant play it at all, because its not e-sport or super challenging, or fucked up in the head liek other old fps.