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KyleeStrutt said:
McDonaldsGuy said:

Zelda TP for the GameCube actually sold very well.

From Nintendo's own official shipment data:


TP on NGC is the second worst selling Zelda game on Home Consoles excluding remakes/collections/remasters (missing on the table is Four Swords Adventures as Nintendo gave no data for that, so its <1m) 1,3m might not sound so bad when it had another version released on a system that sold faster than money, however I woudn't call those numbers "very well"

It sold very well for the circumstances. The fact is even Nintendo has admitted the art style for the Wind Waker was detrimental to sales, but wer in complete denial. I always thought it was a well known fact that TP got most of its hype from its art style. When did history start to be rewritten? I still remember all the polls about Wind Waker, all the threads on IGN. 



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burninmylight said:
McDonaldsGuy said:

The facts are clear: The fans want a realistic Zelda. Notice Skyward Sword nor Zelda Wii U set the world on fire, but then compare it to the reactions to Twilight Princess' reveal. That's enough evidence right there. Otherwise you're in denial.


Zelda Wii U is out already? I'm sorry, did I miss something? How come they didn't give it a better title than that? First SSB, now Zelda, dangit.

Also, you love judging the success of Zelda games based on the hype they got from the live E3 crowd. How do you judge Zelda Wii U's hype when there was no live crowd? By your logic, no live crowd = no hype. Either way, you're still ignoring my question and comparing sales based on live E3 crowd reactions. I asked you to come up with something else (which you did in the first 85 percent of the post, so I'll gladly give you credit for that - that was actually a strong point), you still fall back to the same old tired ass reasoning.

 

KyleeStrutt said:
The vast mayority of gamers don't want Zelda anymore, they could make it with the Fox Engine with Johnny Depp making mocap for Link the game wouldn't explode in popularity, Zelda is not that big of a deal anymore.

Dark Souls, Elder Scrolls and many other have surpassed the Zelda series in nearly every way possible.

Also, while the artstyle certainly helped, the main reason Twilight Princess was such a huge hit is because it was a Wii launch title, it was essentially the only game worth getting for the system for the first months, had the game came out in 2011 instead of SS it wouldn't have had the same level of success as it did.

Twilight Princess released at the right time, nothing more, nothing else.

Thank you. This sums up what I've been saying all along. I asked this guy earlier how come Majora's Mask only sold half as well as Ocarina of Time despite having the exact same engine and art style, he blames it on the 3-day cycle as if it was that huge of a game changer.


Huh? Majora's Mask 3-day cycle is the main reason it didn't sell so well. That WAS a game changer to many people.

Why is history being re-written? Shall I open up all those threads from 2004-06 about Twilight Princess? People want a realistic Zelda game.



McDonaldsGuy said:


Huh? Majora's Mask 3-day cycle is the main reason it didn't sell so well. That WAS a game changer to many people.

Why is history being re-written? Shall I open up all those threads from 2004-06 about Twilight Princess? People want a realistic Zelda game.


I never said people don't want a realistic Zelda game. I never said the cel-shaded style is more popular. I made my point clear several times.



curl-6 said:
I'm with McDonaldsGuy on the Zelda art style issue.
Gamers, mainstream gamers, want a darker Zelda. Only a subset of Nintendo fans want a cartoon one.
There are far more mainstream gamers than Nintendo fans.


I disagree with this line of thought.  There's no definitive proof of this.  If it were as easy as that, anybody can make a successful franchise.  It isn't that simple.  I wont reject the idea that it's possible that a darker, more "realistic" Zelda title could sell more and can be a big reason why people don't buy some of the newer ones.  However, you cannot actually claim that this IS what people want.  You can show cherry picked data, but the truth is that there actually isn't enough data to support the thesis given that there's not only contradicting data existing out there, but also the fact that there are many other factors that could be at play as well.  
I'm sure you've heard this before but, correlation does not imply causation. 

To be honest, I am fine with people thinking that maybe a darker Zelda game would do better.  It's different when you claim it definitely is the case and it's stupid to think otherwise.  



MDMAlliance said:
curl-6 said:
I'm with McDonaldsGuy on the Zelda art style issue.
Gamers, mainstream gamers, want a darker Zelda. Only a subset of Nintendo fans want a cartoon one.
There are far more mainstream gamers than Nintendo fans.

I disagree with this line of thought.  There's no definitive proof of this.  If it were as easy as that, anybody can make a successful franchise.  It isn't that simple.  I wont reject the idea that it's possible that a darker, more "realistic" Zelda title could sell more and can be a big reason why people don't buy some of the newer ones.  However, you cannot actually claim that this IS what people want.  You can show cherry picked data, but the truth is that there actually isn't enough data to support the thesis given that there's not only contradicting data existing out there, but also the fact that there are many other factors that could be at play as well.  
I'm sure you've heard this before but, correlation does not imply causation. 

To be honest, I am fine with people thinking that maybe a darker Zelda game would do better.  It's different when you claim it definitely is the case and it's stupid to think otherwise.  

Of course there are other factors, but looking at the games that sell today, there seems to be a preference for more "mature" presentation. This is an industry where "kiddy" is routinely used to dismiss games.



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With the recent delay of Zelda U I think my worst fears have been confirmed. This may be the most baffling choice in history. Unacceptable. The only way this would be an acceptable decision if it is being delayed for the NX. When TP was delayed it was a launch title for the Wii, brilliant decision.