burninmylight said:
People got used to the Wind Waker's graphics pretty quickly - they weren't that bad. Skyward Sword though looks so generic and cartoonish, but not the good kind of cartoon (like Wind Waker). It just looked... bland.
That's why during the Skyward Sword reveal people were like "Huh?" Compared to Twilight Princess which nearly broke down the internet. I remember those days. People were so excited about TP's art style. It's what sold the game. If Skyward Sword had been released instead of it, it wouldn't have got nearly as much hype. The fact is it didn't get really any hype when it was released at all.
Once again, watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE2Dc1sx71U
Then compare it to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhmcBXgnrC8 (go to the 2:20 mark)
The first video pretty much explains everybody's reaction. By the way, that video was before the Wii reveal. When a fan made Twilight Princess with Skyward Sword graphics pretty much everyone said it was terrible.
Skyward Sword's art style was very dull. It had a Saturday morning cartoon vibe to it.
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I was around in 2004. I saw the damn video in 2004. People were so hyped because they were finally getting a game that looked like the Spaceworld 2001 demo. I was one of those people. I was also there to see the Skyward Sword reveal in 2010. I know how people reacted. I told you to spare me meaningless videos, but since you're so insistent on bringing them up, care to explain the 2:50 mark?
People were more hyped for Sonic: Lost World when it was revealed than they were for Super Mario 3D Land. Which is the more commercial and critically successful game?
If all you have is a couple of videos of the reactions of .00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 percent of the gaming community, then we can end this converation. I will not repeat myself, and I prefer not to entertain fools with senseless arguments. You literally have nothing to counter with other than these old ass meaningless videos. And you could have at least been polite enough to answer my question, since I answered yours.
I normally try not to take it to this level, but:
Twilord said: Is this trolling or just... mal-informed? |
I just had to. Seriously, if all have you to try to make your point are those videos, then we need to end this right now.
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Well I was obviously there too (I was even on this site), and I remember all the hype it got and its art style was the primary reason.
The sales of the Wind Waker caused Nintendo to scrap the idea for The Wind Waker 2.
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/feature/13087/eiji-aonumas-gdc-2007-presentation-the-fate-of-wind-waker-2
"As some of you know, at E3 2004, we unveiled the game that would become Twilight Princess, the realistic Zelda game, and we announced that it was developed by the team that had been developing Wind Waker 2.
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I asked NOA why this was. What I was told was that the toon-shading technique was, in fact, giving the impression that this Zelda was for a younger audience and that, for this reason, it alienated the upper teen audience that had represented the typical Zelda player. Having heard that, I began to worry about whether Wind Waker 2, which used a similar presentation, was something that would actually sell.
That’s when I decided that if we didn’t have an effective and immediate solution, the only thing we could do was to give the healthy North American market the Zelda that they wanted. So, at the end of 2003, I went to Miyamoto and said, “I want to make a realistic Zelda.”
Nintendo of America was right - Twilight Princess was a smash hit of epic proportions. However, Nintendo was in extreme denial about Wind Waker's graphics: "I was still convinced the reason the Wind Waker did not perform well was because of its toon-shaded graphics style. It was something that you either loved or hated, and there was nothing that we could have done about it."
Mr. Aonuma comes up with all kinds of excuses about why The Wind Waker failed, such as it having complicated 3D gaming. However, Ocarina of Time had complicated 3D gaming and was a hit, same with Twilight Princess (and that added motion control too). TP was safe in its direction - but it was a very successful direction.
Twilight Princess had amazing fan feedback: http://www.zeldauniverse.net/features/30-minutes-with-eiji-aonuma-the-zelda-series-director-on-building-and-shipping-one-of-gamings-biggest-franchises/
"Hmm… I think the project that reflects our reaction to fan opinion is probably Twilight Princess. The incentive for us to create that different version of the Zelda universe was certainly as a result of The Wind Waker criticism that we received. Fans were saying that it wasn’t what they were looking for, it wasn’t what they were hoping for, so that’s why we went with this different graphic presentation. So I think that’s probably the one, the biggest change that we made.
I still remember eight years ago at E3 when we ran that first video of Twilight Princess. It was received very well; there was a standing ovation! So I still remember that moment very well."
I can't believe I am arguing what is a well known fact lol.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-06-14-breaking-the-link-to-the-past-zeldas-eiji-aonuma
Eiji Aonuma stated: "It was certainly a new graphical presentation – the Zelda world with its toon-shading, and also the younger, smaller Link. We heard the opinions of those Zelda fans that were somewhat critical at that time. They were saying that they didn’t want it, quite frankly."
Even though he ADMITTED fans do not want those graphics, he's still trying to push them. It shows just how lost in touch Nintendo is.
So pretty much it comes down to Nintendo KNOWS that non-realistic Zelda's sell worse, but they are in EXTREME denial about it and still trying to force it on us. We keep rejecting it: Wind Waker HD was a flop, while OOT 3D was a hit (by the way - when OOT 3D came out the 3DS was NOT popular like it is now).
The facts are clear: The fans want a realistic Zelda. Notice Skyward Sword nor Zelda Wii U set the world on fire, but then compare it to the reactions to Twilight Princess' reveal. That's enough evidence right there. Otherwise you're in denial.