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burninmylight said:


You can always tell the difference between someone who actually owns a console and who doesn't but just feels like whining about it. Your posts would be a lot more credible if you were in the former camp. Speaking of credibility:

McDonaldsGuy said:


- The weak hardware. What the heck Nintendo? It made sense for the Wii because of the controller. The Wii U does not have that luxury. They couldn't give us at least something that could be ALMOST near the PS4/One? Maybe a Dreamcast to the PS2? Instead we get something weaker than the Xbox 360 and PS3 and then Nintendo charges us $349 for it! What the heck were they thinking? Unbelievable.

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McDonaldsGuy said:

- The Wii U is at most barely more powerful than the PS3 and 360 which is unacceptable in 2012 and unacceptable to charge $349 for it

Dude, you're basically making two completely different statements and undermining your own argument. The OP reads like a drunken rant fueled by frustration and made with reckless abandon, without any desire to check for any facts. I have no problem with you or anyone making valid criticisms of a console or manufacturer, but you're reaching for any little argument you can clutch and trying to work whatever sounds good into a semi-coherent argument. For instance, blaming Skyward Sword's sales strictly on its art style, when it came out at the very end of 2011, an extremely barren year for the Wii (that was pretty much dead in most people's eyes) and requiring the purchase of new hardware (either an add-on for the Wii remote or a new controller entirely), a la Majora's Mask. Whenever games require extra hardware just to play them, it typically hurts their sales.

I really should just stop clicking on these types of threads, because most of them are made by people who really don't have the ability to make valid, founded and unbiased complaints that they can express in a consistent and thoughtful manner.


Actually it proves my point even more so. The fact is the power of the Wii U should be made 100% clear, instead it's a debate: is it more powerful or not? That's a question that should NOT have been asked in 2012, and it should NOT have cost $349. For $349 it should have been CLEARLY more powerful than the 360 and PS3.

And Skyward Sword's sales are definitely reflective of its ugly art style. Don't believe me? Compare Wind Waker HD sales to OOT 3D sales - clear difference. Don't believe me still? Look at the reaction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE2Dc1sx71U People were ESTATIC for Twilight Princess. On the other hand Skyward Sword got a huge "Oh come on!" when revealed (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhmcBXgnrC8 go to 2:20 mark).

People want a REALISTIC Zelda, they have made this clear.



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It seems like a lot of the people who own WiiU's don't agree with the OP. I don't own one (I was going to get one this past Christmas when Target had that great deal where a WiiU and Super Mario 3d World was $200, but the local Targets were all out of stock), and I actually agree with the OP on many of these points.

The tech is dated (no, not worse than X360 or PS3, but really nothing to compare to X1 or PS4).

The gamepad is near useless at worse or niche at best (give me a $200 WiiU with no gamepad...I bet a lot of people would be all over that).

Games like Super Mario 3d World or 8 player Smash (yes, 4 player Smash is online) could have definitely done better with an online experience considering they are multiplayer games.

Even though Wind Waker looks awesome for WiiU, Nintendo got a lot of flack for not delivering a Zelda that looked like the 2012 demo.

The online experience is bare bones compared to Xbox Live and PSN. Same for Virtual console (you even have to re-buy the same games on Virtual Console due to the lack of an integrated online experience).

Even though they have been selling well, Amiibos ARE basically collectables, as they don't have a game to really show off their use ala Disney Infinity or Skylanders and the uses they do have are corny.

Third party exclusives are alright, but many of the AAA games which a large portion of the gamer community wants to play are not on WiiU. Many of these games are even coming to PS360.

Even though new IPs are in development, they are mostly niche titles (Splattoon, Wonderful 101).

Even though I don't really think the name is dumb, WiiU is actually very confusing. Several people I know didn't even know it was something different from the Wii. That can't be a good thing.

For all the WiiU apologists, even if you enjoy your console, even if it has many redeeming qualities (including arguably the best game lineup of 2014), many of these complaints shared by the OP, myself or people who don't own a WiiU are not any less valid. It's probably the reason why WiiU will continue to sell so badly until Nintendo finds a way to turn it around with their nextgen console. I'm still rooting for them. I just hope they see the error of their ways like Sony did with PS4 in relation to PS3's faults.



McDonaldsGuy said:
burninmylight said:


You can always tell the difference between someone who actually owns a console and who doesn't but just feels like whining about it. Your posts would be a lot more credible if you were in the former camp. Speaking of credibility:

McDonaldsGuy said:


- The weak hardware. What the heck Nintendo? It made sense for the Wii because of the controller. The Wii U does not have that luxury. They couldn't give us at least something that could be ALMOST near the PS4/One? Maybe a Dreamcast to the PS2? Instead we get something weaker than the Xbox 360 and PS3 and then Nintendo charges us $349 for it! What the heck were they thinking? Unbelievable.

And then:

McDonaldsGuy said:

- The Wii U is at most barely more powerful than the PS3 and 360 which is unacceptable in 2012 and unacceptable to charge $349 for it

Dude, you're basically making two completely different statements and undermining your own argument. The OP reads like a drunken rant fueled by frustration and made with reckless abandon, without any desire to check for any facts. I have no problem with you or anyone making valid criticisms of a console or manufacturer, but you're reaching for any little argument you can clutch and trying to work whatever sounds good into a semi-coherent argument. For instance, blaming Skyward Sword's sales strictly on its art style, when it came out at the very end of 2011, an extremely barren year for the Wii (that was pretty much dead in most people's eyes) and requiring the purchase of new hardware (either an add-on for the Wii remote or a new controller entirely), a la Majora's Mask. Whenever games require extra hardware just to play them, it typically hurts their sales.

I really should just stop clicking on these types of threads, because most of them are made by people who really don't have the ability to make valid, founded and unbiased complaints that they can express in a consistent and thoughtful manner.


Actually it proves my point even more so. The fact is the power of the Wii U should be made 100% clear, instead it's a debate: is it more powerful or not? That's a question that should NOT have been asked in 2012, and it should NOT have cost $349. For $349 it should have been CLEARLY more powerful than the 360 and PS3.

It's only a debate because of poor 3rd party ports and the fact that people always want to insist that Nintendo hardware is weak.  People say that the 3DS is weaker than the PSP, even now.  People say that the 3DS graphics look like PS1 graphics.  People apparently still think that the Gamecube is weaker than the PS2.



I think a lot of people who say Skyward Sword and Zelda Wii U's art style is good are in denial. Think about it.... what was better, the cartoon Lord of the Rings or the live action movies? Simple: the live action movies because Lord of the Rings is a fantasy epic. Zelda is also supposed to be an epic fantasy, not a cartoon. It should feel like a true adventure, not a Mario game! Imagine Metroid with those graphics!



You are right about everything except the PS3.PS3 was great from 2007 on up as they had some great exclusives released that year.I don't know where you got your info from.PS3 had the best games since Uncharted released that year.



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McDonaldsGuy said:

 

- Zelda cel shaded. Ugly graphics. Their E3 2012 demo looked so cool.  Instead we get an ugly cartoon that looks like it's trying to be between Wind Waker and OOT/TP. Also, Zelda - like Metroid - is supposed to have the more "realistic" graphics because even Nintendo admitted it themselves. There is an event in Melee where you fight Nintendo's "realistic" characters and Link is among them! This Zelda will not be a big hit. Compare it to Twilight Princess which is the most hyped Zelda of all time.

Nooooo, the new Zelda game looks GREAT, cartoon-ish =/= ugly



 

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McDonaldsGuy said:
I think a lot of people who say Skyward Sword and Zelda Wii U's art style is good are in denial. Think about it.... what was better, the cartoon Lord of the Rings or the live action movies? Simple: the live action movies because Lord of the Rings is a fantasy epic. Zelda is also supposed to be an epic fantasy, not a cartoon. It should feel like a true adventure, not a Mario game! Imagine Metroid with those graphics!


I don't think I'm the one in denial.......



danasider said:
 Games like Super Mario 3d World or 8 player Smash (yes, 4 player Smash is online) could have definitely done better with an online experience considering they are multiplayer games.

I don't think that making Super Mario 3D World online multiplayer would have made the difference between "Wii U still in a hole" and "Wii U saved," nor would it have made global lifetime sales increase any more than 1m total.  Online multiplayer for a 3D platformer may get some people excited and give it a little more life, but it's not like it's something that makes that much sense.

Even though Wind Waker looks awesome for WiiU, Nintendo got a lot of flack for not delivering a Zelda that looked like the 2012 demo.

Nintendo gets a lot of people saying shit about them regardless of what they do. 


Even though they have been selling well, Amiibos ARE basically collectables, as they don't have a game to really show off their use ala Disney Infinity or Skylanders and the uses they do have are corny.

Amiibos are pretty new, so their uses so far are quite limited, but I think their current uses are not so bad. Also they have already announced some FE amiibos unlocking new characters for Code Name STEAM.

Third party exclusives are alright, but many of the AAA games which a large portion of the gamer community wants to play are not on WiiU. Many of these games are even coming to PS360.

That doesn't really have anything to do with what OP was saying, though. It's a more complex issue that wont have any super simple fixes.

Even though new IPs are in development, they are mostly niche titles (Splattoon, Wonderful 101).

Wouldn't new IPs, by definition, be niche?  Unless you mean the genre, in which case... Splatoon isn't going for a niche genre.  

For all the WiiU apologists, even if you enjoy your console, even if it has many redeeming qualities (including arguably the best game lineup of 2014), many of these complaints shared by the OP, myself or people who don't own a WiiU are not any less valid. It's probably the reason why WiiU will continue to sell so badly until Nintendo finds a way to turn it around with their nextgen console. I'm still rooting for them. I just hope they see the error of their ways like Sony did with PS4 in relation to PS3's faults.

Except a lot of them are not valid since they simply aren't true or are super misleading... or some of them cannot be substantiated.  They can be stated as just opinions, but the whole "Everyone thinks X" or "The main reason X is the case is because of Y" are not true.

The kinds of things OP says has some truth hidden behind them, but are generally not true or don't make sense.





danasider said:

Games like Super Mario 3d World or 8 player Smash (yes, 4 player Smash is online) could have definitely done better with an online experience considering they are multiplayer games.


Smash, I can agree with, because that's the core of the franchise. However, do tell me how Super Mario 3D World would be better with an online experience? 



MDMAlliance said:
danasider said:
 Games like Super Mario 3d World or 8 player Smash (yes, 4 player Smash is online) could have definitely done better with an online experience considering they are multiplayer games.

I don't think that making Super Mario 3D World online multiplayer would have made the difference between "Wii U still in a hole" and "Wii U saved," nor would it have made global lifetime sales increase any more than 1m total.  Online multiplayer for a 3D platformer may get some people excited and give it a little more life, but it's not like it's something that makes that much sense.

Even though Wind Waker looks awesome for WiiU, Nintendo got a lot of flack for not delivering a Zelda that looked like the 2012 demo.

Nintendo gets a lot of people saying shit about them regardless of what they do. 


Even though they have been selling well, Amiibos ARE basically collectables, as they don't have a game to really show off their use ala Disney Infinity or Skylanders and the uses they do have are corny.

Amiibos are pretty new, so their uses so far are quite limited, but I think their current uses are not so bad. Also they have already announced some FE amiibos unlocking new characters for Code Name STEAM.

Third party exclusives are alright, but many of the AAA games which a large portion of the gamer community wants to play are not on WiiU. Many of these games are even coming to PS360.

That doesn't really have anything to do with what OP was saying, though. It's a more complex issue that wont have any super simple fixes.

Even though new IPs are in development, they are mostly niche titles (Splattoon, Wonderful 101).

Wouldn't new IPs, by definition, be niche?  Unless you mean the genre, in which case... Splatoon isn't going for a niche genre.  

For all the WiiU apologists, even if you enjoy your console, even if it has many redeeming qualities (including arguably the best game lineup of 2014), many of these complaints shared by the OP, myself or people who don't own a WiiU are not any less valid. It's probably the reason why WiiU will continue to sell so badly until Nintendo finds a way to turn it around with their nextgen console. I'm still rooting for them. I just hope they see the error of their ways like Sony did with PS4 in relation to PS3's faults.

Except a lot of them are not valid since they simply aren't true or are super misleading... or some of them cannot be substantiated.  They can be stated as just opinions, but the whole "Everyone thinks X" or "The main reason X is the case is because of Y" are not true.

The kinds of things OP says has some truth hidden behind them, but are generally not true or don't make sense.




I have sales and public opinion to back up what I say though. I mean we can't deny the reception to the Wii U hasn't been great. The Dreamcast sold more than the Wii U! I know many people besides me who are agitated by it. Even EA got in on the hate with their April Fools joke (last year?). 

It's like with the early PS3 years, except Sony recognized it and started to change. Nintendo seems to be getting even MORE stubborn.

And the Super Mario 3D World point was more of them just being anti-online in 2013. They really need to understand putting online isn't going to rip families apart.

Imagine a Pokemon RPG (or MMORPG) with Amiibos as collectables. Could set the world on fire. Instead we get these corny little toys that actually don't affect gameplay at all. Can anyone tell me the function of an Amiibo? I am being serious too. Every video I have seen of them is pretty much the CPU playing the game or a couple new designs.