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When Sony was screwing up with the PS3, it was clearly arrogance. Their PR proves that - "People will buy a PS3 even if it had no games." "People will have to get 2 jobs to get a PS3." "The PS3 is too cheap." The $599 price, lack of rumble (last gen tech), loss of third party exclusives (GTA, FF, DMC, Tekken, etc. etc.), crappy first/second party games, etc. etc. But by 2009 Sony did a complete rebranding and made a complete comeback that carried momentum to the PS4.

It's a shame cause the Wii was my favorite console last gen, and the 3DS is amazing.  I predicted the Wii U would sell 40 million (admittedly I let some outside factors influence me - my original prediction was 25 million), but it'll be lucky to get half of that (it won't). I am a HUGE Nintendo fan.

On the other hand, Nintendo the past 4 years have gone insane. Have they done anything right?

- New Super Mario Bros. U and Nintendo Land do not have online. In 2012 this was unacceptable
- The weak hardware. What the heck Nintendo? It made sense for the Wii because of the controller. The Wii U does not have that luxury. They couldn't give us at least something that could be ALMOST near the PS4/One? Maybe a Dreamcast to the PS2? Instead we get something weaker than the Xbox 360 and PS3 and then Nintendo charges us $349 for it! What the heck were they thinking? Unbelievable.
- The gamepad controller. Appeals to no one. The Wiimote appealed to non-gamers (and even hardcore gamers). Not even Nintendo is utilizing it. Did they just throw it on cause tablets were popular at the time with no planning? Probably. When I first saw them unveil the controller I thought it was a joke, and that it was a complimentary controller. When they were serious about it the next year I made like 3 threads (on different forums) asking what was going on and no one knew. Everyone was just as confused as I was.
- The name. Nuff said.
- Their online still sucks
- Super Mario 3D World isn't what gamers wanted. We wanted a Super Mario 64/Galaxy type game in HD, imagine how glorious it would have been. The sales reflect that. 3D World is probably a great game but it doesn't have near the appeal 64/Galaxy type game would have. Also no online multiplayer - Nintendo are you kidding me? F-
- Zelda cel shaded. Ugly graphics. Their E3 2012 demo looked so cool.  Instead we get an ugly cartoon that looks like it's trying to be between Wind Waker and OOT/TP. Also, Zelda - like Metroid - is supposed to have the more "realistic" graphics because even Nintendo admitted it themselves. There is an event in Melee where you fight Nintendo's "realistic" characters and Link is among them! This Zelda will not be a big hit. Compare it to Twilight Princess which is the most hyped Zelda of all time.
- No console Pokemon. Seriously could sell a billion, and Pokemon amiibos? Trading card game fad all over again. Instead Nintendo is content with letting the Wii U fail.
- Amiibos. No point outside collecting them.
- Smash Bros. 4 , came out way too late (2 years after release) and no 8 player online play? Sad. They couldn't even give this game a subtitle.
- Retro Studios not being used to full potential. This dev team could possibly bring us a new FPS game that will blow our rocks off, instead we are given Donkey Kong Country: TF which had no online play. It also flopped badly in sales. Good.
- Game droughts because they didn't prepare for HD. LMAO HD consoles have been around since 2005 and they were caught off guard (like devs were from 05-08) and they didn't prepare? WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?!?!?!?!!? Now they have had massive gaming droughts. This is the first time we won't get a Zelda console 2 years after console release.
- No new IPs. Splatoon is like their only new IP this gen. Nintendo could do that for the Wii (even though the Wii had a couple new IPs) because of the Wiimote, but Nintendo needs to start expanding its library ASAP. Gamers don't get as excited for Smash Bros. or Zelda as they did in 2006-08.
- Scaring away third parties. Nintendo made billions of cash from the Wii and DS. That probably could have bought some good exclusives from third parties and could've helped them out a bit as well. Instead Nintendo scares them away.
- The Virtual Console STILL hasn't even reached a third of its potential
- No more E3 presentations

Added: No achievements, buying Sonic as its third party exclusive

Now the good things Nintendo has done with the Wii U:

- Mario Kart 8. Came out at a good time (Mario Karts tend to come out 1.5-2 years after a console release) and was a hit and really good
- Saving Bayonetta 2
- Nothing else

Nintendo in the Wii era seemed like geniuses. Porting Twilight Princess to the Wii was a genius move. Packing Wii Sports? Wow. Packing Nintendo Land? Wow, but not the good kind of wow. We finally get a Nintendo HD console and we get Mario 3D World and a cel shaded Zelda rather than epic games.

Did Nintendo become arrogant or something? And think they can do no wrong? What was their gameplan with the Wii U? Every decision they have made this gen has baffled me.



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On the other hand, Nintendo the past 4 years have gone insane. Have they done anything right?

- New Super Mario Bros. U and Nintendo Land do not have online. In 2012 this was unacceptable Having online with those things would have barely changed the hardware or software sales for Wii U.
- The weak hardware. What the heck Nintendo? It made sense for the Wii because of the controller. The Wii U does not have that luxury. They couldn't give us at least something that could be ALMOST near the PS4/One? Maybe a Dreamcast to the PS2? Instead we get something weaker than the Xbox 360 and PS3 and then Nintendo charges us $349 for it! What the heck were they thinking? Unbelievable. The Wii U isn't weaker than the XB360 and PS3.
- The gamepad controller. Appeals to no one. The Wiimote appealed to non-gamers (and even hardcore gamers). Not even Nintendo is utilizing it. Did they just throw it on cause tablets were popular at the time with no planning? Probably. When I first saw them unveil the controller I thought it was a joke, and that it was a complimentary controller. When they were serious about it the next year I made like 3 threads (on different forums) asking what was going on and no one knew. Everyone was just as confused as I was. This is clearly an exaggeration, especially since your basis for this is probably just what the vocal minority says, and even among them it's not true.
- The name. Nuff said. XBox One is arguably a worse name.
- Their online still sucks Probably
- Super Mario 3D World isn't what gamers wanted. We wanted a Super Mario 64/Galaxy type game in HD, imagine how glorious it would have been. The sales reflect that. 3D World is probably a great game but it doesn't have near the appeal 64/Galaxy type game would have. Also no online multiplayer - Nintendo are you kidding me? F- Probably should look at its sales and reception again. Even if they did a game with online multiplayer and a game like Galaxy, look at other games that actually did do stuff like this on the Wii U. It didn't do that much
- Zelda cel shaded. Ugly graphics. Their E3 2012 demo looked so cool.  Instead we get an ugly cartoon that looks like it's trying to be between Wind Waker and OOT/TP. Also, Zelda - like Metroid - is supposed to have the more "realistic" graphics because even Nintendo admitted it themselves. There is an event in Melee where you fight Nintendo's "realistic" characters and Link is among them! This Zelda will not be a big hit. Compare it to Twilight Princess which is the most hyped Zelda of all time. This is clearly not a popular opinion on the new Zelda game. If this were a popular opinion, Twilight Princess should be the best selling Zelda game.
- No console Pokemon. Seriously could sell a billion, and Pokemon amiibos? Trading card game fad all over again. Instead Nintendo is content with letting the Wii U fail. A billion? Overstating it. There's no real evidence that making a console pokemon would be as successful as you claim.  FYI, there are some forms of console pokemon games. The traditional games, though, sell way better.
- Amiibos. No point outside collecting them. Do you even know anything about Amiibos and how well it's doing?
- Smash Bros. 4 , came out way too late (2 years after release) and no 8 player online play? Sad. They couldn't even give this game a subtitle. This is just grasping, now. 
- Retro Studios not being used to full potential. This dev team could possibly bring us a new FPS game that will blow our rocks off, instead we are given Donkey Kong Country: TF which had no online play. It also flopped badly in sales. Good. Weak complaint.  Very.
- Game droughts because they didn't prepare for HD. LMAO HD consoles have been around since 2005 and they were caught off guard (like devs were from 05-08) and they didn't prepare? WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?!?!?!?!!? Now they have had massive gaming droughts. This is the first time we won't get a Zelda console 2 years after console release. This is one of your best complaints, since this is definitely a big miscalculation on Nintendo's part.
- No new IPs. Splatoon is like their only new IP this gen. Nintendo could do that for the Wii (even though the Wii had a couple new IPs) because of the Wiimote, but Nintendo needs to start expanding its library ASAP. Gamers don't get as excited for Smash Bros. or Zelda as they did in 2006-08. You say "No new IPs" then talk about the new IP they are just coming out with (and also you forgot that they had another new IP, and some non-Wii U new IPs for this gen as well).  This is a bad complaint.
- Scaring away third parties. Nintendo made billions of cash from the Wii and DS. That probably could have bought some good exclusives from third parties and could've helped them out a bit as well. Instead Nintendo scares them away. What's your argument for them doing this?  Nothing really.  Especially since they actually have bought some exclusives from 3rd parties.
- The Virtual Console STILL hasn't even reached a third of its potential I agree with you here. Would like to know why they take it so slowly.
- No more E3 presentations Likely not as big of a deal as you think it is.  Last year they did a good job.

Now the good things Nintendo has done with the Wii U:

- Mario Kart 8. Came out at a good time (Mario Karts tend to come out 1.5-2 years after a console release) and was a hit and really good
- Saving Bayonetta 2 Exactly, contradicting one of your bad points.
- Nothing else Except that's not true.

Nintendo in the Wii era seemed like geniuses. Porting Twilight Princess to the Wii was a genius move. Packing Wii Sports? Wow. Packing Nintendo Land? Wow, but not the good kind of wow. We finally get a Nintendo HD console and we get Mario 3D World and a cel shaded Zelda rather than epic games.

Did Nintendo become arrogant or something? And think they can do no wrong? What was their gameplan with the Wii U? Every decision they have made this gen has baffled me.


I feel like you don't really know what you're talking about for 80% of this.



I agree at some point. It was their first HD console, and to be honest, it's underwhelming. I haven't seen anything new from them that can excite me like TP or SMG on Wii, or SM64 and OoT for the 64.

I was expecting a lot better from them. Only XCX and Zelda HD looks like promising games.



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Nintendo was envious of Sony and Microsoft. Not because of their sales or profits, obviously. Because Sony's and Microsoft's first party studios could pretty much make the games they wanted without losing any hardware sales momentum, thanks to third party support carrying their systems.

So the main mission of the Wii U was to get the same environment where third party games move hardware and first party developers can do whatever they want. Hence why Nintendo returned to the dual analog standard (to appease third parties), even though hardly any games Nintendo made in their history necessitate such a controller (as a result it looks like the Gamepad serves no purpose, going as far as DKC: TF leaving the Gamepad screen black), and were willing to adopt a lossleading business model, even though the Wii worked so well. This theory is supported by an interview Miyamoto gave last year where he explicitly said that doing what makes business sense is boring. After two years on the market, it should be pretty obvious to everyone that nothing about the Wii U made business sense.

Nintendo's software output over the Wii U's lifetime is further evidence. Wii Sports didn't get a sequel; Wii Sports Club wouldn't even exist if the Wii U hadn't tanked so hard; it was quickly put together and released in pieces because Nintendo's executives that are more business-orientated (so not Miyamoto) put their foot down. Super Mario 3D World is the way it is because Miyamoto wants 3D Mario to be the most popular Mario series; he already ordered adjustments for Super Mario Galaxy 2; they didn't work, so he changed things further. Zelda U uses an artstyle that is closer to The Wind Waker than Twilight Princess because that's obviously what Nintendo wants to do (also the reason why The Wind Waker HD was made).

In the Wii era Nintendo was successful because they accepted that what they did with the GameCube might have been wrong, so they made games that they wouldn't have had otherwise. For anyone who doubts that Nintendo would act against all business sense, this is the company that didn't make another Super Mario Bros. game after Super Mario World for over 15 years. Super Mario Bros. was by far the biggest video game series of its time and the only reason why it ended is because Miyamoto didn't want to make it anymore; it had nothing to do with lack of demand for a new game.



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OP, do you own a WiiU?

Always seems like we get threads like these from people who don't actually *own* a WiiU.



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Nintendo's online still sucks? I've played Smash 4 online, all day everyday since I got it. Lag? Barely ever.

You make good points. But also bad ones (cel shaded Zelda = bad?)



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It would have been worse for Wii U if it were at least on par with ps4/xbox specs, the cost would have been higher than it's right now unless Nintendo dropped off the tablet pad for a convential one. I agree that the name is one of the worst ever. The rest could be more or less why Wii U is failing.



McDonaldsGuy said:

When Sony was screwing up with the PS3, it was clearly arrogance. Their PR proves that - "People will buy a PS3 even if it had no games." "People will have to get 2 jobs to get a PS3." "The PS3 is too cheap." The $599 price, lack of rumble (last gen tech), loss of third party exclusives (GTA, FF, DMC, Tekken, etc. etc.), crappy first/second party games, etc. etc. But by 2009 Sony did a complete rebranding and made a complete comeback that carried momentum to the PS4.

It's a shame cause the Wii was my favorite console last gen, and the 3DS is amazing.  I predicted the Wii U would sell 40 million (admittedly I let some outside factors influence me - my original prediction was 25 million), but it'll be lucky to get half of that (it won't). I am a HUGE Nintendo fan.

On the other hand, Nintendo the past 4 years have gone insane. Have they done anything right?

- New Super Mario Bros. U and Nintendo Land do not have online. In 2012 this was unacceptable
- The weak hardware. What the heck Nintendo? It made sense for the Wii because of the controller. The Wii U does not have that luxury. They couldn't give us at least something that could be ALMOST near the PS4/One? Maybe a Dreamcast to the PS2? Instead we get something weaker than the Xbox 360 and PS3 and then Nintendo charges us $349 for it! What the heck were they thinking? Unbelievable.
- The gamepad controller. Appeals to no one. The Wiimote appealed to non-gamers (and even hardcore gamers). Not even Nintendo is utilizing it. Did they just throw it on cause tablets were popular at the time with no planning? Probably. When I first saw them unveil the controller I thought it was a joke, and that it was a complimentary controller. When they were serious about it the next year I made like 3 threads (on different forums) asking what was going on and no one knew. Everyone was just as confused as I was.
- The name. Nuff said.
- Their online still sucks
- Super Mario 3D World isn't what gamers wanted. We wanted a Super Mario 64/Galaxy type game in HD, imagine how glorious it would have been. The sales reflect that. 3D World is probably a great game but it doesn't have near the appeal 64/Galaxy type game would have. Also no online multiplayer - Nintendo are you kidding me? F-
- Zelda cel shaded. Ugly graphics. Their E3 2012 demo looked so cool.  Instead we get an ugly cartoon that looks like it's trying to be between Wind Waker and OOT/TP. Also, Zelda - like Metroid - is supposed to have the more "realistic" graphics because even Nintendo admitted it themselves. There is an event in Melee where you fight Nintendo's "realistic" characters and Link is among them! This Zelda will not be a big hit. Compare it to Twilight Princess which is the most hyped Zelda of all time.
- No console Pokemon. Seriously could sell a billion, and Pokemon amiibos? Trading card game fad all over again. Instead Nintendo is content with letting the Wii U fail.
- Amiibos. No point outside collecting them.
- Smash Bros. 4 , came out way too late (2 years after release) and no 8 player online play? Sad. They couldn't even give this game a subtitle.
- Retro Studios not being used to full potential. This dev team could possibly bring us a new FPS game that will blow our rocks off, instead we are given Donkey Kong Country: TF which had no online play. It also flopped badly in sales. Good.
- Game droughts because they didn't prepare for HD. LMAO HD consoles have been around since 2005 and they were caught off guard (like devs were from 05-08) and they didn't prepare? WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?!?!?!?!!? Now they have had massive gaming droughts. This is the first time we won't get a Zelda console 2 years after console release.
- No new IPs. Splatoon is like their only new IP this gen. Nintendo could do that for the Wii (even though the Wii had a couple new IPs) because of the Wiimote, but Nintendo needs to start expanding its library ASAP. Gamers don't get as excited for Smash Bros. or Zelda as they did in 2006-08.
- Scaring away third parties. Nintendo made billions of cash from the Wii and DS. That probably could have bought some good exclusives from third parties and could've helped them out a bit as well. Instead Nintendo scares them away.
- The Virtual Console STILL hasn't even reached a third of its potential
- No more E3 presentations

Now the good things Nintendo has done with the Wii U:

- Mario Kart 8. Came out at a good time (Mario Karts tend to come out 1.5-2 years after a console release) and was a hit and really good
- Saving Bayonetta 2
- Nothing else

Nintendo in the Wii era seemed like geniuses. Porting Twilight Princess to the Wii was a genius move. Packing Wii Sports? Wow. Packing Nintendo Land? Wow, but not the good kind of wow. We finally get a Nintendo HD console and we get Mario 3D World and a cel shaded Zelda rather than epic games.

Did Nintendo become arrogant or something? And think they can do no wrong? What was their gameplan with the Wii U? Every decision they have made this gen has baffled me.

You tend to speak in the name of everyone while most people would disagree



I disagree with practically everything. I don't even know where to start. Just about every single point that was made was wrong. (some were correct) however, the majority is just petty and unnecessary, false complaints.

 

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Maybe you were too in love with Nintendo and its Wii numbers. But it sales are aligned with the consistent drop of HW sales from nes onward. But that don't prevent ninty from making great games and I don't see much reason for online MP on most titles but love local co-op and Nintendo is arguably the best at it.



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