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Ultrashroomz said:
Microconsoles generally don't do well.

Nintendo is the last company I see that would go that route.


I know, that's why I'm asking if Nintendo can be the first to truly break into the microconsole market, obviously it's seen as a market with huge potential or else companies like Amazon or Google wouldn't be so interested in it. Right now microconsoles don't have the software to give them a true identity, they just play games u find on phones/tablets, Nintendo on the other hand has the strong ip that can make such a device a success, as long as the hardware/software are the right price and has strong software output.



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Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:
zorg1000 said:
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

No thanks. The Vita TV and Ouya has proven that Micro-consoles that isn't Apple or Google sell laughably bad. They should just make a standard one


Do u really think Vita TV and Ouya are comparable to a Nintendo device sold at a low cost with strong software output?

Ouya is a device which had a good concept but overall the execution was poor and Vita TV is just a home version of an already failed handheld.

Well, think of the Gamecube... That thing costed $100 and had quite a great library of Nintendo games but that sold poorly which leads me to believe that Nintendo needs something more than just their games and a cheap console in order to sell very high. They either need something like the wii where the concept + marketing + execution came together so well that it sold like cray cray or a standard console where they need both their own games and a strong third party lineup so no, I don't think a Microconsole is the right way to go cause it wont do either

It's not just price but also price compared to competition. For most of its life, GC was only $50 cheaper than PS2/Xbox which both had greater support along with multimedia features such as DVD playback which was a huge deal back in the early 2000s. A $100-150 Nintendo microconsole would be in a completely different price range than a $300-400 Playstation/Xbox.



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zorg1000 said:
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

Well, think of the Gamecube... That thing costed $100 and had quite a great library of Nintendo games but that sold poorly which leads me to believe that Nintendo needs something more than just their games and a cheap console in order to sell very high. They either need something like the wii where the concept + marketing + execution came together so well that it sold like cray cray or a standard console where they need both their own games and a strong third party lineup so no, I don't think a Microconsole is the right way to go cause it wont do either

It's not just price but also price compared to competition. For most of its life, GC was only $50 cheaper than PS2/Xbox which both had greater support along with multimedia features such as DVD playback which was a huge deal back in the early 2000s. A $100-150 Nintendo microconsole would be in a completely different price range than a $300-400 Playstation/Xbox.

Well... It came out around the end of 2001 in NA and the price cut was in 2003sh and the wii came out around the end of 2006 so it had ~3 years to make a difference yet it really didnt... I really don't think going another gimmicky route with a Microconsole is the way to go even if it is cheaper

Edit: (If you are responding to this than I will just put it in my next reply)

You also said that it will have close enough hardware to their next gen handheld? If thats the case, they its definatly a vita/vita tv which further proves that your concept will not work. Nintendo handhelds are fairly cheap and if the Micro-console costs only $50 less than the handheld version, no one will sacrafice the portibility of the handheld as well as the touchscreen compatibility for the "TV" experience. Same software + same hardware = butchering sales of one of the platform which seems to be the console one more often than not. The reason why people buy both Nintendo console and handheld is so that they can play different software exclusives to said platform, not to have the same experience across both platforms



                  

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Is the Ouya a succesful microconsole? it the vita a succesful microconsole?



They should make a deal with SmartTV makers and release the games through a Nintendo app. Competing with Sony and Microsoft through retail consoles is a dead art. They sealed their fate when the Wii released as it did and sold amount it sold. It's similar to how Jaleel White is so well known as Steve Urkel that he can never do anything different after that. Nintendo will always have to be like Wii and that gimmick has come & gone.



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After the failure of ps tv no



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:
zorg1000 said:
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

Well, think of the Gamecube... That thing costed $100 and had quite a great library of Nintendo games but that sold poorly which leads me to believe that Nintendo needs something more than just their games and a cheap console in order to sell very high. They either need something like the wii where the concept + marketing + execution came together so well that it sold like cray cray or a standard console where they need both their own games and a strong third party lineup so no, I don't think a Microconsole is the right way to go cause it wont do either

It's not just price but also price compared to competition. For most of its life, GC was only $50 cheaper than PS2/Xbox which both had greater support along with multimedia features such as DVD playback which was a huge deal back in the early 2000s. A $100-150 Nintendo microconsole would be in a completely different price range than a $300-400 Playstation/Xbox.

Well... It came out around the end of 2001 in NA and the price cut was in 2003sh and the wii came out around the end of 2006 so it had ~3 years to make a difference yet it really didnt... I really don't think going another gimmicky route with a Microconsole is the way to go even if it is cheaper

Edit: (If you are responding to this than I will just put it in my next reply)

You also said that it will have close enough hardware to their next gen handheld? If thats the case, they its definatly a vita/vita tv which further proves that your concept will not work. Nintendo handhelds are fairly cheap and if the Micro-console costs only $50 less than the handheld version, no one will sacrafice the portibility of the handheld as well as the touchscreen compatibility for the "TV" experience. Same software + same hardware = butchering sales of one of the platform which seems to be the console one more often than not

What does that have to do with anything? Like I said, the competition was close in price, when GC was $149, PS2/XB were $199, when GC was $99, PS2/XB were $149. The extra 3rd party support and multimedia features made it worth the extra $50. In this scenario it's a $99-149 device against $300-400 devices, a much different situation.

Vita TV is a TV version of an already failed device, thus making it a failure from the start, just because it failed doesn't mean other companies will fail with the same concept. A TV version of a successful device has a much, much higher chance of success. How many people do u hear asking for a mainline Pokemon title on consoles? This device would finally give them that and I don't believe portability is the main selling point of Nintendo handhelds outside of Japan, it's more like price/software considering that the majority of people who play them, play at home. Also just because one sells less than the other doesn't necessarily make one a failure. Let's say in this scenario the handheld sells 50-65 million and the home version sells 30-35 million, would that be a failure?



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tuyiooo said:

Is the Ouya a succesful microconsole? it the vita a succesful microconsole?


Do Ouya/Vita TV have the strong selling software of Nintendo? Do they have franchises with sales potential of 10+ million like Mario, Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Smash Bros, Mario Kart?

A $150 Nintendo console with a high level of software output could do well against $300-400 competitors.



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small44 said:
After the failure of ps tv no


Like I have asked others in this thread, does the Vita TV have the big franchises with potential to sell over 10 million like Mario, Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Smash Bros, Mario Kart?

At $150 with a high volume software output, a Nintendo microconsole has potential to do well, gauranteed to sell vastly higher than Vita TV.



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FentonCrackshell said:
They should make a deal with SmartTV makers and release the games through a Nintendo app. Competing with Sony and Microsoft through retail consoles is a dead art. They sealed their fate when the Wii released as it did and sold amount it sold. It's similar to how Jaleel White is so well known as Steve Urkel that he can never do anything different after that. Nintendo will always have to be like Wii and that gimmick has come & gone.


That would be an interesting idea but I don't think Nintendo wants to get out of the hardware business yet, maybe in 2-3 generations something like that would be feasible for Nintendo to do.

But this type of device wouldn't really be competing with PS/XB directly. A $150 device with $10-40 software doesn't really aim for the same audience as $300-400 devices with $60 software.

Nintendo didnt seal their fate with Wii, they simply made mistakes with the Wii U that they have to live with and ride it out. Ur last sentence makes absolutely no sense, why would Nintendo always have to be like the Wii?



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