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Official 2016 USA Election Center: Trump/Sanders take New Hampshire

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Who will win the first GOP debate?

Jeb Bush 6 9.68%
 
Scott Walker 1 1.61%
 
Donald Trump 28 45.16%
 
Marco Rubio 6 9.68%
 
Rand Paul 7 11.29%
 
Ted Cruz 4 6.45%
 
Chris Christie 1 1.61%
 
Ben Carson 6 9.68%
 
Mike Huckabee 3 4.84%
 
Rick Perry 0 0.00%
 
Total:62
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thismeintiel said:
Well, if the focus group Fox does during the debates is accurate, Trump lost about half of his support after just one night. Not too surprising since most of his answers were the same old platitudes and generic answers aimed at ginning up the base. Of course, once we get to the debates they get to contrast the platitude givers to people with actual plans and ideas. According to that focus group, Cruz seems to have gotten a few new supporters. So, I'm glad about how this is playing out.


This is fox. Trump never had a chance as a top contendor.

Might as well read sonyfanboy.com for xbox news.

He never did, anyway.  After people got over the "he says what's on his mind and I like that" mentality, they would start looking into his actual views, or the fact he has changed parties at least 6 times. 



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my takeaways:

- Trump looks/sounds bad on stage. i think when he's off on his own people look at him more as a celebrity but when he's actually on stage next to professional politicians his outrageousness and offensiveness comes out more and it made him look bad. the Fox focus group seems to support that, although it's best not to place much faith in that. (They implied a blowout for Romney in '12)

- Rubio performed well. he didn't exactly stand out (except for the his comment on Hillary) but all of his answers (except for the whole abortion one which is apparently murky in terms of whether it was true or not) were very concise  and smooth.

- Bush actually screwed some of his questions up really badly. the question on the company that donated to Planned Parenthood or whatever he gave an amazingly awful answer on and so far i haven't seen any media really pick up on it. he seems to be a pretty poor "under pressue" speaker.

- i was surprised that Rand came on stage ready to fight with everybody. he made himself seem like a loudmouth hothead in this debate.

- Christie and Huckabee both performed better than my expectations.

- Kasich delivered some very good answers.

- Walker and Carson are both so boring, i can't for the life of me understand their appeal. Carson is sometimes a good speaker and has an interesting voice to listen to but otherwise i don't understand the hype.

- Amazed that there was no question on facing Hillary in the general election.

- Walker's answer on abortion was lunatic, so sad how it's considered not unusual to have a view like that in the GOP.

- Cruz and Carson both got pretty bad questions. a shame given that Cruz is an excellent debater. i have no idea why "do you support sanctuary cities" is a question in a Republican debate and especially why they would give that question to one of the most conservative candidates there?



lol ted cruz is such a clown... yeah we kill all those terrorist, thats how we win... is this guy retarded?

 

and paul has atleast some principles...



just one thing, im not american, but i think if trump really becomes president we are going straight to WW3. this guy does neither have the intellect, political knowledge or empathy to handle todays global and national challenges. he will react with aggression to everyting and sustainable politics will seem like a dream from long forgotten days. i really hope the us citizens dont vote him.



there's a theory that's been put forth for a while now that Trump is actually a Democratic plant designed to derail the GOP primary and make the party look bad. with evidence being his previously (now supposedly revoked) liberal views and support/friendship with the Clintons.

i know that sounds crackpot and i'm not saying that's true but what if?



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BasiltheBatLord said:

there's a theory that's been put forth for a while now that Trump is actually a Democratic plant designed to derail the GOP primary and make the party look bad. with evidence being his previously (now supposedly revoked) liberal views and support/friendship with the Clintons.

i know that sounds crackpot and i'm not saying that's true but what if?

well, Fox seems to believe that theory, as they tried very very hard to get him out of the race in that debate, he actually got tough and well researched questions, while the others got off easy in contrast - and that "who won't swear he won't go 3rd party" opening bit was 100% to either get Trump into line or show him up as traitorous to the GOP either at the debate or later on



BasiltheBatLord said:

- i was surprised that Rand came on stage ready to fight with everybody. he made himself seem like a loudmouth hothead in this debate.


He's stuck between a rock and a hard place. Fox News (including one of the moderators, Chris Wallace) have been portraying Rand Paul as a "candidacy in decline" in the run up to the debate. Think about it, if Rand didn't interject when he did, how much screen time would he have got? A question on gay marriage and a closing statement?

He knows their gameplan by watching what they did to Ron Paul in the last election. Yeah, he meets the criteria to let him on stage, so they let him on. But, for the most part, they will just ignore him unless he does what he did today.

He comes off as "unpresidential" but at least he gets air time. Thanks to his spat with Christie over the Bill of Rights, his name was even mentioned in the post-debate analysis. Ron Paul never got that, and I very much doubt Rand would have got that if he played by their rules.



BasiltheBatLord said:

there's a theory that's been put forth for a while now that Trump is actually a Democratic plant designed to derail the GOP primary and make the party look bad. with evidence being his previously (now supposedly revoked) liberal views and support/friendship with the Clintons.

i know that sounds crackpot and i'm not saying that's true but what if?


I think that his candidacy is like the Newt Gingrich and Santorum candidancies from 2012. They got into the race simply to increase name recognition. A lot of Trumps' "$10bn net worth" (which Forbes heavily disputes) comes from his name and his brand. Once he saw how well he was doing in the polls, then he probably got some aspirations in his head about actually becoming President.

He's a greedy man, and when he saw those numbers, that's probably when he started thinking about a third party run.



Lafiel said:

well, Fox seems to believe that theory, as they tried very very hard to get him out of the race in that debate, he actually got tough and well researched questions, while the others got off easy in contrast - and that "who won't swear he won't go 3rd party" opening bit was 100% to either get Trump into line or show him up as traitorous to the GOP either at the debate or later on


Fox doesn't like trump because he's not an establishment candidate. He's polling too highly to ignore him, like they do Paul, so instead they attack him.

I'm willing to bet that Fox does better out of a democrat win, anyways. Fox News has done gangbusters the whole of Obama's presidency. They literally wipe the floor with their competitors, over 50% of cable news marketshare (including the young people demographic), in fact one of the top channels overall, bested only by the likes of ESPN.



kabelfritz said:
just one thing, im not american, but i think if trump really becomes president we are going straight to WW3. this guy does neither have the intellect, political knowledge or empathy to handle todays global and national challenges. he will react with aggression to everyting and sustainable politics will seem like a dream from long forgotten days. i really hope the us citizens dont vote him.


Nah, if Trump becomes President, UST's will skyrocket so high that the US Gov't wouldn't be able finance such a war.