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Who will win the first GOP debate?

Jeb Bush 6 9.68%
 
Scott Walker 1 1.61%
 
Donald Trump 28 45.16%
 
Marco Rubio 6 9.68%
 
Rand Paul 7 11.29%
 
Ted Cruz 4 6.45%
 
Chris Christie 1 1.61%
 
Ben Carson 6 9.68%
 
Mike Huckabee 3 4.84%
 
Rick Perry 0 0%
 
Total:62
thranx said:
generic-user-1 said:
gergroy said:
bettergetdave said:

Because it serves as a winner take all system. I think there is only a 3-4 times in history that someone took the popular vote and didn't win the electoral college and it has been a difference of about 100K-500K votes. In the grand scheme of things it works pretty well. It is not at all like having a situation where someone wins 40% of the vote and the election. 60% of the country that could have voted for 2 other people combined definitely would be unhappy with the 3rd choice elected by only 40% of the country. Don't forget the system also protects smaller and larger states and cities making the candidates be more than just regional popular. You have to win a majority of the map and not just get all the votes in 5 largest states whose population greatly out weighs 15 other states.

Ok, but the electoral college is still weighted for population so big states do have more say... And it still creates a situation where the minority of people can elect the president versus a popular vote system... Which in your first post you indicated it was created to stop that from happening...

ehm no, the us systems gives a vote of a small state more power than one from a big state, because there is a minimum number of members of the electoral college of every state, and this minimum is so high that many small state get more votes than they would without this minimum.


No it doesn't. It seems like many people here have no clue on the electoral college. PLease feel free to read up on it:

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/about.html

http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/faq.html

 

Electoral votes are basically decided upon how many citezens in a state since its based of how many members of congress you have (slitghly wieghted since 1 house of congress isn't based on population but equal representation) So it doesn't give smaller states a bigger voice. It doesn't stop a minority voted in president either, since you can win by electoral votes but not over all votes. The time for the electoral college has passed. all it does is make many people votes and opinions not matter, just ask any republican voter in CA how they feel. Its time for a change of the electoral college. All its done is brought the presidental debate down to 7 swing staets every four years instead of 50. Pretty sad.

 

Here is some info on it incase you doint want to go to the link:

Electoral votes are allocated based on the Census. (The Census is the count every 10 years of how many people live where and it decides how many reps you get for each state, so more population, more reps, more reps more electoral votes. Say hello to CA again)
The allocations below are based on the 2010 Census.
They are effective for the 2012, 2016, and 2020 presidential elections.

Your state’s entitled allotment of electors equals the number of members in its Congressional delegation: one for each member in the House of Representatives plus two for your Senators.

Who selects the Electors?

The process for selecting Electors varies throughout the United States. Generally, the political parties nominate Electors at their State party conventions or by a vote of the party’s central committee in each State. Each candidate will have their own unique slate of potential Electors as a result of this part of the selection process.

Electors are often chosen to recognize service and dedication to their political party. They may be State-elected officials, party leaders, or persons who have a personal or political affiliation with the Presidential candidate.

On Election Day, the voters in each State choose the Electors by casting votes for the presidential candidate of their choice. The Electors’ names may or may not appear on the ballot below the name of the candidates running for President, depending on the procedure in each State. The winning candidate in each State—except in Nebraska and Maine, which have proportional distribution of the Electors—is awarded all of the State’s Electors. In Nebraska and Maine, the state winner receives two Electors and the winner of each congressional district receives one Elector. This system permits the Electors from Nebraska and Maine to be awarded to more than one candidate.

Are there restrictions on who the Electors can vote for?

There is no Constitutional provision or Federal law that requires Electors to vote according to the results of the popular vote in their States. Some States, however, require Electors to cast their votes according to the popular vote. These pledges fall into two categories—Electors bound by State law and those bound by pledges to political parties.

The U.S. Supreme Court has held that the Constitution does not require that Electors be completely free to act as they choose and therefore, political parties may extract pledges from electors to vote for the parties’ nominees. Some State laws provide that so-called "faithless Electors"; may be subject to fines or may be disqualified for casting an invalid vote and be replaced by a substitute elector. The Supreme Court has not specifically ruled on the question of whether pledges and penalties for failure to vote as pledged may be enforced under the Constitution. No Elector has ever been prosecuted for failing to vote as pledged.

Today, it is rare for Electors to disregard the popular vote by casting their electoral vote for someone other than their party’s candidate. Electors generally hold a leadership position in their party or were chosen to recognize years of loyal service to the party. Throughout our history as a nation, more than 99 percent of Electors have voted as pledged.

Yes they do, because every state has 2 senators and a minimum of 1 congressmember(each gives one seat in the electoral college), no matter how low the population in the state is. that gives the most power to a vote in the state with the lowest population.



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generic-user-1 said:

Yes they do, because every state has 2 senators and a minimum of 1 congressmember(each gives one seat in the electoral college), no matter how low the population in the state is. that gives the most power to a vote in the state with the lowest population.

So that must be why California a low poutlion state has 55 electoral votes compared to Alaska, a high popultion state with 3 electoral votes



thranx said:
generic-user-1 said:

Yes they do, because every state has 2 senators and a minimum of 1 congressmember(each gives one seat in the electoral college), no matter how low the population in the state is. that gives the most power to a vote in the state with the lowest population.

So that must be why California a low poutlion state has 55 electoral votes compared to Alaska, a high popultion state with 3 electoral votes


the vote in alaska is twice as powerfull as the vote in CA.  why? because alaska has such a small population that they just would get 1 1/2 Electors, but the minmum is 3 Electors per state, so the  vote from Alaska is twice as powerfull than the one from CA.



generic-user-1 said:
thranx said:
generic-user-1 said:

Yes they do, because every state has 2 senators and a minimum of 1 congressmember(each gives one seat in the electoral college), no matter how low the population in the state is. that gives the most power to a vote in the state with the lowest population.

So that must be why California a low poutlion state has 55 electoral votes compared to Alaska, a high popultion state with 3 electoral votes


the vote in alaska is twice as powerfull as the vote in CA.  why? because alaska has such a small population that they just would get 1 1/2 Electors, but the minmum is 3 Electors per state, so the  vote from Alaska is twice as powerfull than the one from CA.


only if you happen to vote for the winner of your state. otherwise your vote is meaningless. like any nondemocrat who votes for president in CA. Or any non republican who votes for president in Texas. Its leads to voter apathy and the citezens thinking their vote doesn't matter (well it doesn't) so lower voter turn out too. It neds to go, the time for the electoral college has passed and it is no longer usefull. I see nothing it does to help the voting process, it only hurts it.



thranx said:
generic-user-1 said:


the vote in alaska is twice as powerfull as the vote in CA.  why? because alaska has such a small population that they just would get 1 1/2 Electors, but the minmum is 3 Electors per state, so the  vote from Alaska is twice as powerfull than the one from CA.


only if you happen to vote for the winner of your state. otherwise your vote is meaningless. like any nondemocrat who votes for president in CA. Or any non republican who votes for president in Texas. Its leads to voter apathy and the citezens thinking their vote doesn't matter (well it doesn't) so lower voter turn out too. It neds to go, the time for the electoral college has passed and it is no longer usefull. I see nothing it does to help the voting process, it only hurts it.

yes, sure, but still the smaller states have more powerfull votes. (and i think texas will be a battleground state if the reps nominate the wrong candidate)

they should look a bit into the german system they created after the war. half of the vote is popular and half is for a regional candidate.  works well

 

 

found a fine video to explain the problem of the small states

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wC42HgLA4k



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Ok everybody, you are now free to google Santorum again as he is now running for president again lol, the site doesn't come up first on google anymore, but the wiki page about the site comes up first. Anyway... I feel bad for Hillary, she seems so lonely in the democratic field with only Bernie Sanders keeping her company... Seems like every republican and their dog is running for president this year...



Fuck yeah Vermont, Howard Dean was my family physician back in the 80's :D



I'm falling behind here, O'malley, Pataki, and Graham have announced they are running for president... personally I don't think any of them will make it very far...



Perry announced.



woah, Ted Cruz made jokes about Biden when his son Beau just died of brain cancer? ..