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Who will win the first GOP debate?

Jeb Bush 6 9.68%
 
Scott Walker 1 1.61%
 
Donald Trump 28 45.16%
 
Marco Rubio 6 9.68%
 
Rand Paul 7 11.29%
 
Ted Cruz 4 6.45%
 
Chris Christie 1 1.61%
 
Ben Carson 6 9.68%
 
Mike Huckabee 3 4.84%
 
Rick Perry 0 0%
 
Total:62
sc94597 said:
gergroy said:
And Clinton gets her first challenger... Not really sure what kind of support someone like Sanders will get...

Clinton is pretty much a moderate, cut from the same cloth of the likes of Obama, Bushes, McCain, etc. So Sanders would likely get the support of "informed" liberals and more extreme leftists who don't vote for what is popular, but more with regards to whom they agree with more ideologically. 

yeah, he definitely is going to be coming at Clinton from the left... I mean he is so far left that he doesn't even call himself a democrat...  I'm just curious how far that far left support will get him.  He evidently had a good first day at fund raising, brought in 1.5 million in the first 24 hours, so he is getting some good financial support at least.  

Right now, the democratic primary just looks lonely compared to the Republican primary that is looking like a blood bath waiting to happen!



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gergroy said:
sc94597 said:

Clinton is pretty much a moderate, cut from the same cloth of the likes of Obama, Bushes, McCain, etc. So Sanders would likely get the support of "informed" liberals and more extreme leftists who don't vote for what is popular, but more with regards to whom they agree with more ideologically. 

yeah, he definitely is going to be coming at Clinton from the left... I mean he is so far left that he doesn't even call himself a democrat...  I'm just curious how far that far left support will get him.  He evidently had a good first day at fund raising, brought in 1.5 million in the first 24 hours, so he is getting some good financial support at least.  

Right now, the democratic primary just looks lonely compared to the Republican primary that is looking like a blood bath waiting to happen!

I don't think he'll win the primary, just because he doesn't have the numbers among non-ideological democrats, but the people who do support him are quite strong about it (hence the high fundraising.) If anything I think debates between him and Clinton should show Clinton's hawkeyness to the Democratic voter base, and possibly could help reduce how much said issue would hurt Republicans, or might even help certain Republicans who don't adhere to neo-conservative/progressive interventionism. 



gergroy said:
So... Carly Fiorina and Ben Carson are both running for the republican nomination... Both have 0 experience in holding political office... However, they both do a lot of conservative commentating. So, since neither really has any serious chance of getting the nomination, I think they are just trying to raise their brand so they can charge more money for speeches. Maybe land a cabinet spot or something, but even that I think is a stretch... What do you guys think? Are they seriously running for president? Or is there another motive?

they will have a superpac with alot of money, and thats all they need



WolfpackN64 said:
Look, I'm not an American citizen, but let me ask you all one question.

How do you people keep taking this?

All your presidential candidates are backed by PAC's (which is basically legal corruption). Your rights and interests are only a second matter to them.
Your voting system is horribly outdated and undemocratic, with the winner takes all mentality actually voiding near half of the votes and blocking out more political parties.
And to make matters worse, you vote for people to vote for you. Don't you think people can decide for themselves who to vote for?

People of the USA, wake up, you're not living in a real democracy anymore.

The electoral college serves a very important purpose most people don't comprehend and on its face I know it seems anti democratic. It is set up to insure that states get votes counted accurately as to the population as well as prevent a minority rule or more simply put a sitting president with only 35% of the country actually agreeing to vote for that person. I'm not positive but I believe this is how Hitler took control in Germany and the electoral college helps prevent something like this whether nefarious or not.

In addition the electoral college is only with the president that is just 1 of 3 checks and balances in government. The rest are voted on by pretty much straight up popular vote. So the Government is largely represented by directly elected officials. Lastly I agree corruption is bad and rights and interest are often second to many politicians with exception to their home states when they cater to them. That said show me a government of any kind, any place, where this is not the case. 



bettergetdave said:
WolfpackN64 said:
Look, I'm not an American citizen, but let me ask you all one question.

How do you people keep taking this?

All your presidential candidates are backed by PAC's (which is basically legal corruption). Your rights and interests are only a second matter to them.
Your voting system is horribly outdated and undemocratic, with the winner takes all mentality actually voiding near half of the votes and blocking out more political parties.
And to make matters worse, you vote for people to vote for you. Don't you think people can decide for themselves who to vote for?

People of the USA, wake up, you're not living in a real democracy anymore.

The electoral college serves a very important purpose most people don't comprehend and on its face I know it seems anti democratic. It is set up to insure that states get votes counted accurately as to the population as well as prevent a minority rule or more simply put a sitting president with only 35% of the country actually agreeing to vote for that person. I'm not positive but I believe this is how Hitler took control in Germany and the electoral college helps prevent something like this whether nefarious or not.

In addition the electoral college is only with the president that is just 1 of 3 checks and balances in government. The rest are voted on by pretty much straight up popular vote. So the Government is largely represented by directly elected officials. Lastly I agree corruption is bad and rights and interest are often second to many politicians with exception to their home states when they cater to them. That said show me a government of any kind, any place, where this is not the case. 


Huh?  How can the electoral college prevent a minority from nominating the president?  It actually allows that to happen.  Like George w. Bush won the presidency but lost the popular vote...



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There has to be a joke about the sheer amount of candidates On the GOP ticket. Its kinda like they are just gonna throw whatever they have at Hillary. Just imagine huge amounts of cash going into that one race by itself.



the next retarded looser on the gop ticket... huckabee



generic-user-1 said:
the next retarded looser on the gop ticket... huckabee

Ok, while I apreciate your contributions and thoughts in this thread, this is the kind of comment I kind of want us to steer clear of.  While I am certainly not a fan of Huckabee (One of my least favorite politicians) we need to keep the vitriol to a minimum if we can in a thread like this.  Politics, obviously, is a high emotion, high opinion subject so I think it is perfectly fine to have strong opinions about stuff here.  Just try and keep words like "retarded looser" out of your descriptions if you can.  

This isn't necessarily aimed at you but for the whole thread.  If this thread is going to last, we need to make an effort to keep it civilized in here.  

Anyway, yes, Huckabee just announced he is running again.  Personally, I really didn't like him the last time, and there are much better people running (or planning on running) this time so hopefully he doesn't find much support.  



gergroy said:
generic-user-1 said:
the next retarded looser on the gop ticket... huckabee

Ok, while I apreciate your contributions and thoughts in this thread, this is the kind of comment I kind of want us to steer clear of.  While I am certainly not a fan of Huckabee (One of my least favorite politicians) we need to keep the vitriol to a minimum if we can in a thread like this.  Politics, obviously, is a high emotion, high opinion subject so I think it is perfectly fine to have strong opinions about stuff here.  Just try and keep words like "retarded looser" out of your descriptions if you can.  

This isn't necessarily aimed at you but for the whole thread.  If this thread is going to last, we need to make an effort to keep it civilized in here.  

Anyway, yes, Huckabee just announced he is running again.  Personally, I really didn't like him the last time, and there are much better people running (or planning on running) this time so hopefully he doesn't find much support.  

can you discripe him better? he is just mad. his positions arent the worst of all the GOP candidates.  and he just pushes his media contracts with this run.

he knows that there is no chance in hell to win the election, even if he get nominated.

cant they just nominate newt? he is crazy but in a funny way...



generic-user-1 said:
gergroy said:
generic-user-1 said:
the next retarded looser on the gop ticket... huckabee

Ok, while I apreciate your contributions and thoughts in this thread, this is the kind of comment I kind of want us to steer clear of.  While I am certainly not a fan of Huckabee (One of my least favorite politicians) we need to keep the vitriol to a minimum if we can in a thread like this.  Politics, obviously, is a high emotion, high opinion subject so I think it is perfectly fine to have strong opinions about stuff here.  Just try and keep words like "retarded looser" out of your descriptions if you can.  

This isn't necessarily aimed at you but for the whole thread.  If this thread is going to last, we need to make an effort to keep it civilized in here.  

Anyway, yes, Huckabee just announced he is running again.  Personally, I really didn't like him the last time, and there are much better people running (or planning on running) this time so hopefully he doesn't find much support.  

can you discripe him better? he is just mad. his positions arent the worst of all the GOP candidates.  and he just pushes his media contracts with this run.

he knows that there is no chance in hell to win the election, even if he get nominated.

cant they just nominate newt? he is crazy but in a funny way...

ah Newt, if there was every somebody that was running for president to not be president, it was newt.  Anyway, I actually think Huckabee isn't running for more media contracts, I think his goal is more of increasing his political capital for a cabinet position or something.   Maybe get himself on the bottom of the ticket with a dim hope that he can escape the blood bath at the top of the ticket.  With the large amount of candidates in the Republican primary, it really could be anybody that comes out of that thing as they all attack and bring each other down.  Hopefully he crashes and burns, I really don't like him and wouldn't want him in any office...