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riderz13371 on 15 January 2015
Wright said:
riderz13371 said:

I enjoyed it. It showed them going back to Tommy's place and setting up camp there. Then it had Ellie confronting Joel on whether or not he had lied to her, and in the end she knew she lied but she still understood why he did it and said "Ok".


She already knews when she wakes up in the car and Joel is so damn nervous. She's confused, but she obviously knows something went wrong, especially when Joel explains to her that for some deus ex machina nothing really happened.

 

The only thing that the forest sequence serves for is to show that Ellie doesn't mind Joel lying to her, which should be obvious at that point given how deeply attached both are.

I disagree. I didn't see that car section as her knowing that Joel is lying. I see it as her being disappointed that they couldn't find a cure. This is why she later asked him in the forest scene if he was telling the truth or not, after she has had some time to think it over. If it had ended with Joel and Ellie driving away it wouldn't have felt like a proper ending. Where would they have ended up? How does Ellie feel about what Joel did? This way with the Forest scene you see they go to Tommy's camp and Ellie comes to terms with Joel lying to her.



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Wright on 15 January 2015
riderz13371 said:

I disagree. I didn't see that car section as her knowing that Joel is lying. I see it as her being disappointed that they couldn't find a cure. This is why she later asked him in the forest scene if he was telling the truth or not, after she has had some time to think it over. If it had ended with Joel and Ellie driving away it wouldn't have felt like a proper ending. Where would they have ended up? How does Ellie feel about what Joel did? This way with the Forest scene you see they go to Tommy's camp and Ellie comes to terms with Joel lying to her.


We'll agree to disagree, I'm afraid :P

 

EDIT: but it's okay. We should continue this conversation somewhere else, or we'll go a bit into off-topic!



Troll_Whisperer on 15 January 2015
jetforcejiminy said:

let's not do this whole "dude" routine where everything is just, you know, your opinion, man. a "game" implies that it is a thing, governed by a set of rules, that's meant to be played, and playing a game almost always requires skill and coordination on the part of the player... play seems to be inherently linked to the whole concept of "game." i am simply saying there is not much playing that goes on in the last of us, just as there's very little playing that goes on in something like gone home (which i dislike even more, if it's possible).

speaking about a game like halo, which is incredibly easy at the normal difficulty and has regenerating health and all that, i still can respect it as an overall package because the gunplay is so satisfyingly precise, the mechanics are so polished, etc. etc. these are not qualities the last of us shares. precision, challenge, freedom... none of these are qualities it possesses in anywhere near decent quantities. it's basically an interactive movie, and i could forgive that if the movie were a decent one, but it's a cliché-ridden mess that, were it released as a movie (as seems likely to happen), would never be taken seriously.

and, just to clarify, this isn't just a problem i have with the genre... compare the now decade old resident evil 4 to the last of us and... well, there's just no comparison. it's not even good in the context of its genre.

I've seen this argument before and it's pretty bad. You're just way caught up in the word "game". It's called a game because of its heritage, it doesn't have to adhere to the strictest definition of what a game is. It's like expecting films to be recorded in film.

Video games have to be rewarding or engaging in one way or another. That's it. I didn't like TWD but I wouldn't say it's not a videogame. It's just a genre within it.

That said, TLoU is pretty tight in the gameplay department and gives you plenty of tools to play with, so even by the most traditional definitions of game it is indeed one.



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HBninjaX on 15 January 2015

I never played the game myself. I tried Uncharted 2 after all the high marks and hype it got and got bored with it after about 3 hours or so... I figured it would be the same story with this one as well. I prefer games where the focus is solely on gameplay - Souls games, Bayonetta, Street Fighter, things like that



Aeolus451 on 15 January 2015

Considering how much you played it already, I would say you have a love hate relationship with it.



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d21lewis on 15 January 2015
HBninjaX said:
I never played the game myself. I tried Uncharted 2 after all the high marks and hype it got and got bored with it after about 3 hours or so... I figured it would be the same story with this one as well. I prefer games where the focus is solely on gameplay - Souls games, Bayonetta, Street Fighter, things like that


Lots of people feel like you.  Even when I was a kid playing Bad Dudes (that cut scene was like 30 seconds!) or Astyanax (those cutscenes took forever!!) , I loved cinematics but my friends would skip them to get to the gameplay.  Used to piss me off but I understand they were different types of gamers.  I liked cinematics, technical achievements, animations, etc. as well as gameplay and they just liked playing a game.  It's all good.



darkenergy on 15 January 2015

I enjoyed playing TLOU especially playing the "Bill's Town" level whenever I need to pass the time.



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Aeolus451 on 15 January 2015

I love TLOU. One of my favorites.



ExplodingBlock on 15 January 2015

Quick question
If you hate it so much why have you finished it twice and now playing it a third time?



Burning Typhoon on 15 January 2015
Ruler said:

Kinda agree, maybe the game has better story but action adventure classics like resident evil 5 and 4 have a lot better gameplay. Imo


RESIDENT EVIL 5?... OMG!

No...  It's kinda weird with RE5, for me.  I didn't like that game...  Last of Us annoys me because of the finiky run button, but, that game is definitely worse than Resident Evil 2, or 3.  I love RE2.  I beat it 4 times on my vita, of all things.  I'm sure my PS3 felt neglected.

But, with RE5, my brother gave it to me... on 360... Which I didn't have.  But, I played it on my sister's 360, until he swiftly took it back and left me the case?....

But, no, that game was just silly...  Then, I played Resident Evil 6 (demo) and thought to myself, "wtf, this is nothing but an action game with the resident evil title!"  It wasn't resident evil.  Thats just it.  As a random game you get for free, (or at least I did) it was fine, but as a resident evil game?  The worst game ever.

It's not scary, it's not survival horror, it's just a run and gun shooter...  And, it kinda reminds me of last of us.  But, at least last of us had me on my toes when there's clickers around.  Chris is so huge that he's twice as big as any of those common enemies you run into in RE5.  And, you get random bullets from everything you kill.  And, they're not zombies either...

But, neither are last of us enemies.  May as well be, though.  They're infected with Cortyceps, or T-Virus, or something, and they're mindless.  You shoot them.  

I'm not even going to get into the problems with the story of the game.  Yeah, it was good, but it wasn't perfect.  Ellie knew right off the bat that Tess was infected, but didn't catch on when same was infected.  I didn't catch Tess was infected when I first saw it.  I knew damn well sam was infected.   But, no, Ellie just goes back downstairs, and leaves Sam be.

And nevermind the fact that Ellie is curious about things a girl who lives in a post-apocalypse world wouldn't be curious about.  She doesn't act like she's lived her entire life in the world, just...

Speaking of which, I love how ellie and Joel have conversations while I'm sneaking up behind the enemy.  

But, nevermind, I said I wouldn't go into that.