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Giggs_11 said:
marley said:
Giggs_11 said:
arcaneguyver said:

You use a link about a study which in the link says adult women is the largest demographic in gaming? Really?

I haven't read that but I bet it is talking about mobile/casual games... 

*reads article*

Yeaaaah, those aren't exactly the same demographic as the ones who buys consoles...

Btw there are many adult gamers nowadays, but even those started of as  gamers when they were kids. About zero to none adult gamers begun gaming when already adults and married.

So you are just going to make up statistics to reinforce your invented 'fact'?  I happen to know plenty of adults that got into gaming after they were already adults and married...

"Zero to none" is an exageration, just a way of putting it. I don't need a statistic to know this, it's just logical.

As for your 2nd statement, sorry, I just don't buy it.


The problem is your 'logical' conclusion is based on nothing more than your own limited experiences.

As far as my own experiences go, you don't have to 'buy it'.  



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marley said:
Giggs_11 said:
marley said:
Giggs_11 said:
arcaneguyver said:

You use a link about a study which in the link says adult women is the largest demographic in gaming? Really?

I haven't read that but I bet it is talking about mobile/casual games... 

*reads article*

Yeaaaah, those aren't exactly the same demographic as the ones who buys consoles...

Btw there are many adult gamers nowadays, but even those started of as  gamers when they were kids. About zero to none adult gamers begun gaming when already adults and married.

So you are just going to make up statistics to reinforce your invented 'fact'?  I happen to know plenty of adults that got into gaming after they were already adults and married...

"Zero to none" is an exageration, just a way of putting it. I don't need a statistic to know this, it's just logical.

As for your 2nd statement, sorry, I just don't buy it.


The problem is your 'logical' conclusion is based on nothing more than your own limited experiences.

As far as my own experiences go, you don't have to 'buy it'.  

Yes because people are born, grow up, go to school, go to high schoo, go to college, get a job, get married, get kids. And has time passes by and people get to do all this things, they get more and more free time to play, right?  Not to mention other factors blending in like social factors or people's maturity evolving as time goes by.

I don't need to rely on my "own experiences" to know how the world works, like I said, some things are logical and you can make assumptions without having factual data (i.e., numbers) to know it's true.

I just find it funny that you say that and then use the "I know people who do it" like argument. I mean, on an internet debate you use reason with "I know people who do it"? Really? And then you say that from my own experiences I can't make opinions on something? DOuble standards much?



Vita is dragging Sony down



Giggs_11 said:
marley said:
Giggs_11 said:

"Zero to none" is an exageration, just a way of putting it. I don't need a statistic to know this, it's just logical.

As for your 2nd statement, sorry, I just don't buy it.


The problem is your 'logical' conclusion is based on nothing more than your own limited experiences.

As far as my own experiences go, you don't have to 'buy it'.  

Yes because people are born, grow up, go to school, go to high schoo, go to college, get a job, get married, get kids. And has time passes by and people get to do all this things, they get more and more free time to play, right?  Not to mention other factors blending in like social factors or people's maturity evolving as time goes by.

I don't need to rely on my "own experiences" to know how the world works, like I said, some things are logical and you can make assumptions without having factual data (i.e., numbers) to know it's true.

I just find it funny that you say that and then use the "I know people who do it" like argument. I mean, on an internet debate you use reason with "I know people who do it"? Really? And then you say that from my own experiences I can't make opinions on something? DOuble standards much?

You are making sweeping generalizations and presenting your unwarranted 'assumptions' as fact, when they are based on nothing more than insufficient evidence & reasoning (your own experiences).  Yes, when people grow up they do have time to play games.  In fact, when people grow up and have children, they are even more likely to be exposed to games.  I'm not even sure what to make of your maturity statement.  I hope you are not making more false generalizations that 'mature' people don't like to have fun or play games.

26% of gamers are over 50

48% of parents play video games with their children weekly

Do you really believe that all of those parents were into games before having children?  Is it an easy 'assumption' for you that none of them decided to play games as a way to bond with their kids?  None of the gamers over 50 started as adults?  Really?  

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No double standard.  I was using my own personal experience as a response to your generalizations that no one has ever gotten into gaming as an adult with kids.  My own personal experiences were all that was need to refute your misguided speculation.  To more easily illustrate how my use of personal experiences differed from your use:

You: 'I'm wearing a grey shirt, so everyone in the world must also be wearing a grey shirt'  <--- sweeping generalization based on unwarranted assumption

Me: 'No dude, I'm wearing a white shirt'  

You can see the difference right?

And this part: "then you say that from my own experiences I can't make opinions on something?"  You have been presenting 'facts' based on 'truthiness' - not opinions.

 

 



It depends how long Nintendo support the 3ds, the new 3ds should help boost hardware sales but Im not sure it will do much for software sales(mostly due to people upgrading their consoles rather than buying a new console), and the wii u is still too expensive, it needs to be at the most 199, but still the ps4 will beat the 3ds by a lot so it will really come down to how close the 3ds can stay to the ps4 and if the wii u can pass out the vita and by how much but I reckon the gap will be about 20 million in 4 years



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AlfredoTurkey said:
Puppyroach said:
VGC should probably focus on hardware total on the first page, since that is a more relevant measure of a console makers success. Previously I always thought handhelds and home consoles should be treated seperately, byt why should they? When I see the quality of games that are available on 3DS and Vita, they absolutely match home consoles.

This will, however it might pain me to say, always put MS at last plats though :P.


Why should they? One is ultra cheap and portable... selling to mostly children. The other is upwards of $400.00, sits in the living room and is played mostly by adults. The two couldn't be anymore different. 

It's like comparing motorcycles to cars. 


Just like this Call of Duty Pro Team



The stone cold truth which cannot be spun.



ehh... ok i guess...



Interesting.

Sony destroys the competiton on the home console front, while Nintendo pratically has no competition on the portable console front.

I wonder....how long Nintendo can sustain its business just with the 3ds and how long can Sony sustain its business just with the PS4.



marley said:
Giggs_11 said:
marley said:
Giggs_11 said:

"Zero to none" is an exageration, just a way of putting it. I don't need a statistic to know this, it's just logical.

As for your 2nd statement, sorry, I just don't buy it.


The problem is your 'logical' conclusion is based on nothing more than your own limited experiences.

As far as my own experiences go, you don't have to 'buy it'.  

Yes because people are born, grow up, go to school, go to high schoo, go to college, get a job, get married, get kids. And has time passes by and people get to do all this things, they get more and more free time to play, right?  Not to mention other factors blending in like social factors or people's maturity evolving as time goes by.

I don't need to rely on my "own experiences" to know how the world works, like I said, some things are logical and you can make assumptions without having factual data (i.e., numbers) to know it's true.

I just find it funny that you say that and then use the "I know people who do it" like argument. I mean, on an internet debate you use reason with "I know people who do it"? Really? And then you say that from my own experiences I can't make opinions on something? DOuble standards much?

No double standard.  I was using my own personal experience as a response to your generalizations that no one has ever gotten into gaming as an adult with kids.  My own personal experiences were all that was need to refute your misguided speculation.  

You are making sweeping generalizations and presenting your unwarranted 'assumptions' as fact, when they are based on nothing more than insufficient evidence & reasoning (your own experiences).  Yes, when people grow up they do have time to play games.  In fact, when people grow up and have children, they are even more likely to be exposed to games.  I'm not even sure what to make of your maturity statement.  I hope your are not making more false generalizations that 'mature' people don't like to have fun or play games.

26% of gamers are over 50

48% of parents play video games with their children weekly

Do you really believe that all of those parents were into games before having children?  Is it an easy 'assumption' for you that none of them decided to play games as a way to bond with their kids?  None of the gamers over 50 started as adults?  Really?  

 

No double standard.  I was using my own personal experience as a response to your generalizations that no one has ever gotten into gaming as an adult with kids.  My own personal experiences were all that was need to refute your misguided speculation. - Right back at ya

You are making sweeping generalizations and presenting your unwarranted 'assumptions' as fact, when they are based on nothing more than insufficient evidence & reasoning (your own experiences). - Again, not my own experiences, logic. People when growing up into middle-age adulthood go through various stages in life like I described in the post above. Every step forward people take, gives them less free time pratically until the time people have their kids raised. Less time adults have, less time they have to start palying as adults.

Yes, when people grow up they do have time to play games.  In fact, when people grow up and have children, they are even more likely to be exposed to games. - 1st) The thing is matematically it is impossible to exist more adults that were exposed to gaming when they had children than adults to started off playing as a child. 2) I play with cars with my 2 year old nephew, does that make me audience for the car selling companies? Adults who started playing games with their children do it to entertain their children, the core consumer is the children, not the adult. They have a console that both share probably until the kids are old enough to play alone. After that stop playing games. And even the few ones that actually do, they're not even close to be representative of core market for console companies.

 I'm not even sure what to make of your maturity statement.  I hope your are not making more false generalizations that 'mature' people don't like to have fun or play games. - To have fun yes, but they tend to find other fun things to do instead of staying at home playing games.

 

26% of gamers are over 50

48% of parents play video games with their children weekly

Againt with the article stats? The article itself says this "adult women gamers" play mostly casual computer/social games. These people do not represent the home console/handheld markets, not by a long stretch. These 50 years old you're talking about play candid crush or farmville on facebook. In fact many "hardcore gamers" who play consoles despise those kinds of games.

 

Do you really believe that all of those parents were into games before having children?  Is it an easy 'assumption' for you that none of them decided to play games as a way to bond with their kids?  None of the gamers over 50 started as adults?  Really? First off, I have the slight impression you're taking what I'm saying literally. I don't believe none of adult gamers started playing as an adult, just there are very very few of those cases. And if someone start playing as an adult to bond with their kids, this will happen on the 1st generation of the family (if I have a kid and had never played before in my life except with my son, when he grows up and plays with my grandson, he will be an adult who started playing as kid, so will the grandson, and so on), so the chances of having cases like this are very slim. Besides, most parents nowadays whit kids they will be playing (i.e. young kids) grew up in the Atari, game boy, NES, SNES, Master System, Mega Drive, PC, era. Most of them are already/were players.

 

But ok, you don't get this, that's your issue. I'm not discussing this anymore. So for the last time, yes gaming is mainly kids, not so much for adults. Although I agree this stigma is getting weaker since many people who started playing as kids do still play today, just not nearly as much (as it is my case). And when you're having this discussions on Nintendo Vs Sony hardware threads, please don't bring social gaming related articles that say adult women are the biggest demographic in gaming cuz you'll just be making a fool out of yourself.

Cheers!