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spemanig said:
Panther111 said:
This thread seems to claim... If we like the same video game, we are no different from another...

Just because someone may be attracted to specific stuff, everyone has parts that make them truly unique and no one should ever be robbed of having the rights to identity, because if one were to bother looking extra close, everyone is different no matter how much some bigoted and ignorant souls claim the opposite.


When someone says that different races are "equal" or "not different," they're refering to status. One race isn't superior or inferior. There is no difference based on race when it comes to their status. There is no general racial hierarchy. A dalmation is just as valuable as a chiwawa. That sort of thing.

Everyone knows that individual people are individual. No one is talking about that.


Many posts are placing people of certain skin tones in different boxes purely based on that... Boxes that has to do with how they live, how they act.. And so it has to do with individuality.



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S.T.A.G.E. said:
McGilliguts said:
Just because there are obvious cultural differences that effect intelligence and temperament does not mean there are not biological differences as well. Liberals just want to assume everyone is born equal, but evolution suggests that that is not the case.

As an example, imagine an isolated population that for several thousand years has highly valued education and learning. The individuals who will be the most esteemed in this society and therefore the most likely to have children and pass on their genetic traits will be the most intelligent members. Over time, this skews the average member of this society towards higher intelligence. Notice that this change is driven by culture, but also has a lasting genetic effect independent of culture. And such a group does in fact exist - the Jews. And no surprise, Jews are by many standardized measures such as iq among the most intelligent populations on earth with a disproportionate number of Nobel prize winners etc. part of this is culture, but genetics are just as important.


Its not genetic exclusivity to a group, its dominantly culture. You also forget that there are jews of many ethnic backgrounds (twelve tribes in the text) even though they came from an ultimate source. Every group has the capacity to bring forth geniuses. Geniuses are a minority even within their own group, which makes them high in demand. Take India for instance. We see a lot of esteemed lawyers and doctors in this country no different than other Asians and whites, which makes the expectation of employment and higher test scores higher for Asians than whites but go to India and the amount of common people is very high. The success rate based on our standard testing in major highschools and colleges would level out no different than it is for whites. 

They just recently found a black child in England who has a higher IQ than Einstein and Einstein was a jew.

Eleven year old British child of African descent who scored higher than Einstein:

http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2014/07/_11_year_old_uk_boy_scores_higher_than_einstein_on_mensa_iq_test.html

Fourteen year old white child who scored higher then Einstein:

http://www.inquisitr.com/1512469/smarter-than-albert-einstein/


The best takeaway that one can gather about these two individuals is that despite having very high intelligence levels what truly matters is how they apply it. If you don't apply it, what a waste no matter what background. In some peoples case because of hardships, they don't even get a chance to use it.

Geniuses are minoriities living amongst us all and they come in many shades.

You're right that not everyone is born equal though.

Very true... I get frustrated when I hear stuck up people claim;" im more intelligent than you, I am so much smarter." 

Then I retaliate by asking;" okay if you are so bright, what are your talents? Are you a published writer, what specific things do you do that makes you supposedly so much smarter? And they come up empty-handed.. Because there is lacking of real talent and they are incapable of applying this supposed intelligence anywhere.     And thus it is nothing more than smoke in the mirror.



Panther111 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Its not genetic exclusivity to a group, its dominantly culture. You also forget that there are jews of many ethnic backgrounds (twelve tribes in the text) even though they came from an ultimate source. Every group has the capacity to bring forth geniuses. Geniuses are a minority even within their own group, which makes them high in demand. Take India for instance. We see a lot of esteemed lawyers and doctors in this country no different than other Asians and whites, which makes the expectation of employment and higher test scores higher for Asians than whites but go to India and the amount of common people is very high. The success rate based on our standard testing in major highschools and colleges would level out no different than it is for whites. 

They just recently found a black child in England who has a higher IQ than Einstein and Einstein was a jew.

Eleven year old British child of African descent who scored higher than Einstein:

http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2014/07/_11_year_old_uk_boy_scores_higher_than_einstein_on_mensa_iq_test.html

Fourteen year old white child who scored higher then Einstein:

http://www.inquisitr.com/1512469/smarter-than-albert-einstein/


The best takeaway that one can gather about these two individuals is that despite having very high intelligence levels what truly matters is how they apply it. If you don't apply it, what a waste no matter what background. In some peoples case because of hardships, they don't even get a chance to use it.

Geniuses are minoriities living amongst us all and they come in many shades.

You're right that not everyone is born equal though.

Very true... I get frustrated when I hear stuck up people claim;" im more intelligent than you, I am so much smarter." 

Then I retaliate by asking;" okay if you are so bright, what are your talents? Are you a published writer, what specific things do you do that makes you supposedly so much smarter? And they come up empty-handed.. Because there is lacking of real talent and they are incapable of applying this supposed intelligence anywhere.     And thus it is nothing more than smoke in the mirror.


For the most part I agree with the distate for the arrogance that comes with genius. Their talent is intelligence. The problem is without gathering skills with this intelligence its a waste of being naturally adept to whatever it is that they are a genius in. Geniuses a better when put to the test. If challenged they tend to be the ones to push the envelope. 

Yeah, I agree, there are a lot of Intelligent people who waste it, because even though you're a genius, it doesn't mean one is blessed with common sense. In fact this is why EQ is actually very important today compardd to IQ. People who have a high EQ level tend to attract more people and make more money.

Musically look at Kanye West. He's a genius...but everyone cannot stand his personal opinions. He's better off just sticking to his music and making us forget we hate his guts. Thats just the thing, some genius comes with eccentricities. Johnny Depp is an acting genius with high levels of eccentricity. Hes himself and wouldnt trade it for the world.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
Panther111 said:

Very true... I get frustrated when I hear stuck up people claim;" im more intelligent than you, I am so much smarter." 

Then I retaliate by asking;" okay if you are so bright, what are your talents? Are you a published writer, what specific things do you do that makes you supposedly so much smarter? And they come up empty-handed.. Because there is lacking of real talent and they are incapable of applying this supposed intelligence anywhere.     And thus it is nothing more than smoke in the mirror.


Their talent is intelligence. The problem is without gathering skills with this intelligence its a waste of being naturally adept to whatever it is that they are a genius in. Geniuses a better when put to the test. If challenged they tend to be the ones to push the envelope. 

Yeah, I agree, there are a lot of Intelligent people who waste it, because even though you're a genius, it doesn't mean one is blessed with common sense. In fact this is why EQ is actually very important today compardd to IQ. People who have a high EQ level tend to attract more people and make more money.


My point was claiming to be intelligent, without giving subtstantial proof or evidence as to why they are so much more intelligent than the person standing next to them. Thats like claiming to be a musical genius without ever having written a song or constructed a melody. 

and there are plenty of these people. I believe intelligence is vague when it comes to meassurement, and the proposed methods are most often based on wild guesses. 



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This is a massive generalization. Some black people and some white people. Not all of either. I know black and white doctors and scientists. I know black and white trash. Generalizing shows lack of intelligence and a proneness to bigotry.



phinch1 said:
Everyone in the world is the same no matter what the Colour of skin is, it's cultures that separate us


No it's stupidity and questions like this that separate us. Generalizations and questions like "what is the different between white and black people". The answer is the color of their skin. That is the only thing that all white and all lack people have as a difference across the board.



Another topic to add to this why has there there never been an all black successful civilization? I mean had the ancient African built a great empire and subjugated the Europeans it would all look different now.

My theory is civilized development is tied to external requirements. If a tribal hunter gatherer society is adequate than you never advance. (For instance, I live in Hawaaii and I can see why they never modernized, it's perfect all year round)

The earliest civilians evolved around flood plains(Egypt, Mesopotamia, Indus River) in order to properly use the limited resources people were forced to work together. Then as people populated temperate climates learning how to essentially survive the winter pushed people toward technological advances.
None of these scenarios existed in Africa or even the Amazon.



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S.T.A.G.E. said:
McGilliguts said:
Just because there are obvious cultural differences that effect intelligence and temperament does not mean there are not biological differences as well. Liberals just want to assume everyone is born equal, but evolution suggests that that is not the case.

As an example, imagine an isolated population that for several thousand years has highly valued education and learning. The individuals who will be the most esteemed in this society and therefore the most likely to have children and pass on their genetic traits will be the most intelligent members. Over time, this skews the average member of this society towards higher intelligence. Notice that this change is driven by culture, but also has a lasting genetic effect independent of culture. And such a group does in fact exist - the Jews. And no surprise, Jews are by many standardized measures such as iq among the most intelligent populations on earth with a disproportionate number of Nobel prize winners etc. part of this is culture, but genetics are just as important.


Its not genetic exclusivity to a group, its dominantly culture. You also forget that there are jews of many ethnic backgrounds (twelve tribes in the text) even though they came from an ultimate source. Every group has the capacity to bring forth geniuses. Geniuses are a minority even within their own group, which makes them high in demand. Take India for instance. We see a lot of esteemed lawyers and doctors in this country no different than other Asians and whites, which makes the expectation of employment and higher test scores higher for Asians than whites but go to India and the amount of common people is very high. The success rate based on our standard testing in major highschools and colleges would level out no different than it is for whites. 

They just recently found a black child in England who has a higher IQ than Einstein and Einstein was a jew (Then agan...there are black jews...so technically is being jewish a "race"?)

Eleven year old British child of African descent who scored higher than Einstein:

http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2014/07/_11_year_old_uk_boy_scores_higher_than_einstein_on_mensa_iq_test.html

Fourteen year old white child who scored higher then Einstein:

http://www.inquisitr.com/1512469/smarter-than-albert-einstein/


The best takeaway that one can gather about these two individuals is that despite having very high intelligence levels what truly matters is how they apply it. If you don't apply it, what a waste no matter what background. In some peoples case because of hardships, they don't even get a chance to use it.

Geniuses are minoriities living amongst us all and they come in many shades.

You're right that not everyone is born equal though.

I agree that every society can produce geniuses (although the rate and level of production is the real issue), and also that intelligence needs to be applied. Perhaps the most important ingredient to genius is actually creativity, something that does not appear to be directly heritable. I also agree that eq is generally more important for success in society and that most jobs, even well paying ones, don't actually require a high degree of intelligence at all. Still, society is carried forward by geniuses, so their importance can't be underestimated.



McGilliguts said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Its not genetic exclusivity to a group, its dominantly culture. You also forget that there are jews of many ethnic backgrounds (twelve tribes in the text) even though they came from an ultimate source. Every group has the capacity to bring forth geniuses. Geniuses are a minority even within their own group, which makes them high in demand. Take India for instance. We see a lot of esteemed lawyers and doctors in this country no different than other Asians and whites, which makes the expectation of employment and higher test scores higher for Asians than whites but go to India and the amount of common people is very high. The success rate based on our standard testing in major highschools and colleges would level out no different than it is for whites. 

They just recently found a black child in England who has a higher IQ than Einstein and Einstein was a jew (Then agan...there are black jews...so technically is being jewish a "race"?)

Eleven year old British child of African descent who scored higher than Einstein:

http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2014/07/_11_year_old_uk_boy_scores_higher_than_einstein_on_mensa_iq_test.html

Fourteen year old white child who scored higher then Einstein:

http://www.inquisitr.com/1512469/smarter-than-albert-einstein/


The best takeaway that one can gather about these two individuals is that despite having very high intelligence levels what truly matters is how they apply it. If you don't apply it, what a waste no matter what background. In some peoples case because of hardships, they don't even get a chance to use it.

Geniuses are minoriities living amongst us all and they come in many shades.

You're right that not everyone is born equal though.

I agree that every society can produce geniuses (although the rate and level of production is the real issue), and also that intelligence needs to be applied. Perhaps the most important ingredient to genius is actually creativity, something that does not appear to be directly heritable. I also agree that eq is generally more important for success in society and that most jobs, even well paying ones, don't actually require a high degree of intelligence at all. Still, society is carried forward by geniuses, so their importance can't be underestimated.


How do you believe creativity is linked to genius/intelligence?    Then there must be some real geniuses operating in the gaming industries ;-p creating costumes, scenarios, towns and detailed landscape, characters, art style, battle systems, basically creating a new dimension from scratch ;-p 

but exactly what creativity is though is another question.