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kitler53 said:
i have a couple muslim friends here in america and i assure you they enjoy their freedoms and are respectful of other cultures. it is not right to generalize all of muslims like that.

..but it can be fuck hard not to think it sometimes when you see yet another act of senseless violence against women or westerners or anyone with the audacity to live free and not under the repression of a militant muslim rule every single fucking day.

That's not generalizing, he's speaking who those who can not hold their peace with the free world.



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Lafiel said:
HollyGamer said:

Jew had the worse treatment under the Vatican, but it was gone when chaliphate rule over spain and Jarusalem. So if Muslim culture dominate it will not bring any harm to other culture.

the caliphates from back then were progressive, secular, multicultural and respected religious freedom - the total opposite of the so called "caliphates" radicals want to install these days

Actually the same principals is still the same, (bringing the Syariah law) but the way current faction  do is different nowdays, at least the terorisme is the wrong way to achieve it.

caliphate never promote secularisme for "Muslim" but they given the freedom for other religion living under their culture, and yes they were multy culture and respected other religious movement.



badgenome said:
HollyGamer said:

Jew had the worse treatment under the Vatican, but it was gone when chaliphate rule over spain and Jarusalem. So if Muslim culture dominate it will not bring any harm to other culture.

Ever hear of the Almohads?

Maybe i heard it under different name, or maybe i missed it, can you elaborate?



HollyGamer said:
Lafiel said:
HollyGamer said:

Jew had the worse treatment under the Vatican, but it was gone when chaliphate rule over spain and Jarusalem. So if Muslim culture dominate it will not bring any harm to other culture.

the caliphates from back then were progressive, secular, multicultural and respected religious freedom - the total opposite of the so called "caliphates" radicals want to install these days

Actually the same principals is still the same, (bringing the Syariah law) but the way current faction  do is different nowdays, at least the terorisme is the wrong way to achieve it.

caliphate never promote secularisme for "Muslim" but they given the freedom for other religion living under their culture, and yes they were multy culture and respected other religious movement.


Well, technically speaking, people of other faiths weren't given the freedom to practice as they saw fit, they had to pay a tax for it, dhimma I believe it was called?  Still, it was certainly far more progressive than most relations back in the day.



Funny. As far as i know there isn't one syariah law but many versions. It seems that Mohammeds followers where somewhat practical and used many regional laws/traditions for different versions of their religious laws. At least that is what most theologists say.

As for muslims, i dont care about someones religion. There live many muslims over here. Most of them speaking perfect german and having a 'normal' live with some religious rules.
I hate fundamentalists though, doesnt matter if by religion or ideology.

An assholes is just an asshole. Maybe a racist asshole, fundamentalist asshole or whatever. It still is an asshole.

And that basically is what people are that force others with violence.



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cheshirescat said:
HollyGamer said:
Lafiel said:
HollyGamer said:

Jew had the worse treatment under the Vatican, but it was gone when chaliphate rule over spain and Jarusalem. So if Muslim culture dominate it will not bring any harm to other culture.

the caliphates from back then were progressive, secular, multicultural and respected religious freedom - the total opposite of the so called "caliphates" radicals want to install these days

Actually the same principals is still the same, (bringing the Syariah law) but the way current faction  do is different nowdays, at least the terorisme is the wrong way to achieve it.

caliphate never promote secularisme for "Muslim" but they given the freedom for other religion living under their culture, and yes they were multy culture and respected other religious movement.


Well, technically speaking, people of other faiths weren't given the freedom to practice as they saw fit, they had to pay a tax for it, dhimma I believe it was called?  Still, it was certainly far more progressive than most relations back in the day.

If you mean tax (dhimma), that was just only tax and even Muslim have to pay, They allow almost every religion to live, except  a religion that bring harm to another religion or faith. Even the caliphate treat or punish Muslim as equal with the death sentence



captain carot said:
Funny. As far as i know there isn't one syariah law but many versions. It seems that Mohammeds followers where somewhat practical and used many regional laws/traditions for different versions of their religious laws. At least that is what most theologists say.

As for muslims, i dont care about someones religion. There live many muslims over here. Most of them speaking perfect german and having a 'normal' live with some religious rules.
I hate fundamentalists though, doesnt matter if by religion or ideology.

An assholes is just an asshole. Maybe a racist asshole, fundamentalist asshole or whatever. It still is an asshole.

And that basically is what people are that force others with violence.

maybe u should hate fundamentalist who defending their  freedom of speach, facism  democracy, and communisme as well.



HollyGamer said:

Maybe i heard it under different name, or maybe i missed it, can you elaborate?

They were a ruling dynasty of Andalusia who eradicated countless Jewish communities in Iberia and finished off Christianity in North Africa.



Wow, what the hell is up with all the caps? Also, I'd say that the muslim mayor did the right thing!



                
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Honestly it's what's needed, to show everyone that Political Islam and Islam are two different things. More Muslims need to speak out on this matter, because it's not like that many of them really like political islam (don't get me wrong, most Muslims are probably pro-Sharia, but a milder interpretation of it, for instance the destruction of music instruments, owned by Muslims, in Mali by the radicals when they took power).



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