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Wow, exciting stuff. Read the whole article. Antibiotic resistance is definitely a threat, so this is great news.

As a prescriber, it's really freakin hard many times to refuse patients an antibiotic. People just want an antibiotic even if they have a viral infection. And if you won't give them one, often times the next provider will, basically undermining the provider trying to do the right thing. I wish info like that contained in this article (i.e. the threat of antibiotic resistance) would be spread much more so than what it has been thus far. People need to be educated on why they may be denied an antibiotic by their healthcare provider.



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Btw spurge, can u provide the source? I want to send this to some colleagues but don't want them to have to go to a video game site lol.



baloofarsan said:
Aeolus451 said:
OdinHades said:
Aeolus451 said:
I'm gonna let my misanthrope side take over for a bit and just simply state that this is not good news. We're better off on not being codependent on antibiotics. I rather just let survival of the fittest do it's thing.

Intelligence and research are part of survival of the fittest.


To a point. If your immune system becomes weaken because of the overuse of antibiotics or by being too clean then you're just destroying your quality of life and it could have fatal consquences. 

It is not that "easy" that life whitout antibiotics will kill people. Mostly it will cripple body functions like eyes, ears, kidney, lungs etc. A simple pneumonia can kill or cripple you for life.

http://enlightenme.com/list-of-antibiotics-and-their-uses/


Did you not understand the part about survival of the fittest and what I meant by it? We're better off in the long run if people that survived illnesses just passed on their immunities to their children and we naturally became immune. If you weren't healthy enough to get pass it, you would die. 

Sure, antibiotics treat a lot of things in the short term but in the long run, it could cripple the immune system against infection in future generations and yourself hence why I mentioned codependency. If you take it while you are sick with an bactrial infection, antibiotics will kill it but your immune system will not develope any antibodies to fight it off. It will just increase your chance of infection against whatever bacteria you used it for. Thus in long run, it's only making it worse. Also, microbes are becoming more resistant to antibiotics at a alarming rate. The multigenerational effects of antibiotics is relatively unknown because there's little research being done into it. We're better off just letting our bodies fight it off until you're gonna die then give antibiotics.

http://www.rocketswag.com/medicine/vaccination/immune-system/Effects-Of-Antibiotics-On-Immune-System.html

http://www.lapislight.com/wp/antiobiotics-impair-immune-response-to-the-flu/

http://www.naturalnews.com/036479_antibiotics_immune_system_destruction.html

http://mrsatopic.com/2014/05/can-taking-antibiotics-increase-your-chance-of-getting-an-infection/



Aeolus451 said:
baloofarsan said:
Aeolus451 said:
OdinHades said:
Aeolus451 said:
I'm gonna let my misanthrope side take over for a bit and just simply state that this is not good news. We're better off on not being codependent on antibiotics. I rather just let survival of the fittest do it's thing.

Intelligence and research are part of survival of the fittest.


To a point. If your immune system becomes weaken because of the overuse of antibiotics or by being too clean then you're just destroying your quality of life and it could have fatal consquences. 

It is not that "easy" that life whitout antibiotics will kill people. Mostly it will cripple body functions like eyes, ears, kidney, lungs etc. A simple pneumonia can kill or cripple you for life.

http://enlightenme.com/list-of-antibiotics-and-their-uses/


Did you not understand the part about survival of the fittest and what I meant by it? We're better off in the long run if people that survived illnesses just passed on their immunities to their children and we naturally became immune. If you weren't healthy enough to get pass it, you would die. 

Sure, antibiotics treat a lot of things in the short term but in the long run, it could cripple the immune system against infection in future generations and yourself hence why I mentioned codependency. If you take it while you are sick with an bactrial infection, antibiotics will kill it but your immune system will not develope any antibodies to fight it off. It will just increase your chance of infection against whatever bacteria you used it for. Thus in long run, it's only making it worse. Also, microbes are becoming more resistant to antibiotics at a alarming rate. The multigenerational effects of antibiotics is relatively unknown because there's little research being done into it. We're better off just letting our bodies fight it off until you're gonna die then give antibiotics.

http://www.rocketswag.com/medicine/vaccination/immune-system/Effects-Of-Antibiotics-On-Immune-System.html

http://www.lapislight.com/wp/antiobiotics-impair-immune-response-to-the-flu/

http://www.naturalnews.com/036479_antibiotics_immune_system_destruction.html

http://mrsatopic.com/2014/05/can-taking-antibiotics-increase-your-chance-of-getting-an-infection/


You forget that before the Antibiotic phenomena, Humans were dying at an absurd pace due to what we now consider basic bacterial infections.  Ingrown toenails on the foot used to be considered extremely precarious. 

The Human body, compared to most other species of mammels on Earth - is extremely weak against bacterial infections by Nature.  Its no coincidence that the Human population and life expectancy sky rocketed at exactly the same time Formulated Antibiotics became a thing.

Sure we could stop taking Antibiotics all together and hope evolution makes us immune to all harmful bacteria, but even if that were possible, it would take millions of years.

Not that it matters much anyway...in 30 years we will see nano-tech medicines being rolled out that will make us completely immune to everything harmful.  Hell, we have already developed the first generation of nano-machines that target and eliminate Cancer Tumors. 



...uhh...ill just put my favorite quote of all time here.

"Welcome to Pain, the second of three...You have dealt the first...now deal with me!!"

Ssliasil said:
Aeolus451 said:
baloofarsan said:
Aeolus451 said:
OdinHades said:
Aeolus451 said:
I'm gonna let my misanthrope side take over for a bit and just simply state that this is not good news. We're better off on not being codependent on antibiotics. I rather just let survival of the fittest do it's thing.

Intelligence and research are part of survival of the fittest.


To a point. If your immune system becomes weaken because of the overuse of antibiotics or by being too clean then you're just destroying your quality of life and it could have fatal consquences. 

It is not that "easy" that life whitout antibiotics will kill people. Mostly it will cripple body functions like eyes, ears, kidney, lungs etc. A simple pneumonia can kill or cripple you for life.

http://enlightenme.com/list-of-antibiotics-and-their-uses/


Did you not understand the part about survival of the fittest and what I meant by it? We're better off in the long run if people that survived illnesses just passed on their immunities to their children and we naturally became immune. If you weren't healthy enough to get pass it, you would die. 

Sure, antibiotics treat a lot of things in the short term but in the long run, it could cripple the immune system against infection in future generations and yourself hence why I mentioned codependency. If you take it while you are sick with an bactrial infection, antibiotics will kill it but your immune system will not develope any antibodies to fight it off. It will just increase your chance of infection against whatever bacteria you used it for. Thus in long run, it's only making it worse. Also, microbes are becoming more resistant to antibiotics at a alarming rate. The multigenerational effects of antibiotics is relatively unknown because there's little research being done into it. We're better off just letting our bodies fight it off until you're gonna die then give antibiotics.

http://www.rocketswag.com/medicine/vaccination/immune-system/Effects-Of-Antibiotics-On-Immune-System.html

http://www.lapislight.com/wp/antiobiotics-impair-immune-response-to-the-flu/

http://www.naturalnews.com/036479_antibiotics_immune_system_destruction.html

http://mrsatopic.com/2014/05/can-taking-antibiotics-increase-your-chance-of-getting-an-infection/


You forget that before the Antibiotic phenomena, Humans were dying at an absurd pace due to what we now consider basic bacterial infections.  Ingrown toenails on the foot used to be considered extremely precarious. 

The Human body, compared to most other species of mammels on Earth - is extremely weak against bacterial infections by Nature.  Its no coincidence that the Human population and life expectancy sky rocketed at exactly the same time Formulated Antibiotics became a thing.

Sure we could stop taking Antibiotics all together and hope evolution makes us immune to all harmful bacteria, but even if that were possible, it would take millions of years.

Not that it matters much anyway...in 30 years we will see nano-tech medicines being rolled out that will make us completely immune to everything harmful.  Hell, we have already developed the first generation of nano-machines that target and eliminate Cancer Tumors. ut 


Nice deflection to nanomachines and I agree about nanomachines. :D I was just mentioning that antibiotics could do more harm to humans in the long run than any good it has done already. We don't need complete immunity to bad bacteria, just some resistance to it. I'm a believer in survival of the fitest and technology only lets us forget it for a time.