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Forums - Sales Discussion - If Nintendo launches a new console in 2016 (AMD Rumors) ...... will it be 8th or 9th gen

TheLastStarFighter on 06 January 2015

It depends on who it is designed to compete with, really. If Nintendo pulls the pin on Wii U and Wii U2 is designed to compete with One and 4, then I would call it a second 8th gen console. If it's designed to compete with Two and 5, it's a 9th genner.



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CrazyGPU on 06 January 2015
Dusk said:
CrazyGPU said:

Nintendo launched Wii U in end 2012. Sony and Microsoft launched 8 gen in end 2013. 

If Nintendo lauches a new console in 2016 and Sony and Microsoft launch Next Gen in 2020.

I mean one can consider a 2016 Nintendo console a very early 9 gen lauch or a second very late 8th gen console, right?

Would you consider the 2016 Nintendo console an 8th gen console or 9th?

edit: what if they lauch in 2016 and another in 2021 to counterpart a 2020 ps5 and xbox 2 lauch? Then most people would say that Nintendo lauched a 10th gen one year after the competition lauched the nineth? Weird.

Has nothing to do with other console manufacturers, has to do with it's successor. The Wii U is 8th gen so thenext will be9. 

If your parents have kids at 20 and you do as well, your kids are third generation from your parents. If your friends parents have kids at 45 and so do they, their children are third generation from their grand parents. It has nothing to do with length of time, it has to do with generations of the family.


I think of generations as peoples generations, if you lived the beatles era you probably are the sixties generation, if you listened to U2, The Cure, Pet Shop Boys you probably are from tye eighties generation. 

So every generation of consoles competed with each other. 

Now , just imagine this as a mind excercise. If Nintendo launches two consoles in the same time frame, let say 7 years in which Sony or Microsoft launches only one, then there is a problem.

By your point of view, Sonys 9th gen will be competing with nintendo 10th in 2021, just because their previous consoles were 8th and 9th respectivelly.

Now by my point of view, the majority of players lauched only one console in the time nintendo lauched 2, so I can be thinking in two ways.

that nintendo lauched 2 consoles competing with PS4 and XBOX One, then it will be two 8 gen consoles.

Or I can think that Sony and Microsoft Skiped a generation , and they didnt release 9th, but then, your thinking about parents will broke there, there will be a missing generation. 

Some might say that Nintendo isnt competing with sony and microsoft, that their market or games are different, but they are competing for the money. What matters for the company is the sales. 

So in the ridiculous case that nintendo lauches 2 consoles competing with PS4 and XBOX One in the same timeframe for the majority of the console lifespan, i would say that those consoles are 8 gen.



BossPuma on 06 January 2015
freebs2 said:

Focusing on hi-end graphics wouldn't solve a thing. In the end, 3rd party developers are driven by profitability before graphical capability.

Let's assume Nintendo launches this hi-end console by late 2016, why would the average customer buy it? By that time Ps4 and Xbox One will have a huge library of games, they will be still active for years to come and, with price cuts, they will likely cost the same or less than this new N console.

At the same time, since Ps4/Xbone will already have a 50-60million userbase so, in a vicious cycle, Nintendo will only receive a marginal part of Ps4/Xbone support driving average customers away form the console, driving 3rd party support further away.

If the console was made with with the same architecture as the other consoles (i.e PC architecture), it would be a breeze to port over 3rd party games, especially if its a more powerful system. The easier it is for devs to port their games the more profit they can make despite it not being the most popular platform. Reasonable companies would ignore Nintendo just for the sake of it. The Ps4 could have 60 mil units but they defninitely wont ignore Nintendo's console even if it did have significantly less (lets say 10 mil units) because they can still make a profit from a port.



bonzobanana on 09 January 2015
BossPuma said:
Guitarguy said:
8.5 gen. I can't see it outperforming the X1 and PS4 by a great enough margin(whilst staying at a resonable price) if they put out a true '9th gen' console so soon. It would be commercial suicide. I really can't see Nintendo putting out a new home console until 2017 anyway.


In 2 years the tech for more powerful and advanced consoles will be much cheaper. I think it would be hard for nintendo to make a weaker system than the ps4 at that point in time.

People wrote that about the wii u  but Nintendo found a way to release a console with low memory bandwidth and a poor cpu that couldn't even match the 360 and PS3.  It's not hard to make cheap underepowered hardware.



mine on 09 January 2015
bonzobanana said:

People wrote that about the wii u  but Nintendo found a way to release a console with low memory bandwidth and a poor cpu that couldn't even match the 360 and PS3.  It's not hard to make cheap underepowered hardware.


LOL. 

There are NO games on the X360 or PS3 side which can match the graphics fidelity of the Wii U titles. 

And Bayonetta on the Wii U looks and runs better than on the X360...

So IF the Wii U is such a cheap underpowered hardware whose CPU can't even match x360 and PS3 - THEN NINTENDO MUST HAVE THE BEST DEVELOPERS OF ALL TIME. Developers whose code is at such stellar performance that it literally does wonders on their hardware graphics wise.

 

Thank you for showing us the truth...



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mine on 09 January 2015
teigaga said:

It has to be notably better then PS4/X1 (1080p, 60fps and graphically superior), 


As x86 will be the FACEBOOK console for OCULUS RIFT - of course it will not only MUCH BETTER, it will be that better that even questioning it will make one look silly.

And it needs to be that graphically superior as this is what its need to run VR and true next gen games.

Its not Facebooks fault that neither Sony nor Microsoft did't wiat for next gen hardware and instead used cheap APU designs.

While it is understandable that neither Sony nor Microsoft want to loose that much money on hardware - it is more than funny to see how they brainwashed their gamers touting it as "Next Gen" hardware but at the same time fail to deliver even a stable 1080p/60 experience.

Sony knows best how far they could go and so they showed of Morpheus. Of course there is NO release date nor price range. And it seems that Sony fears that peoples sub-Oculus experience will hurt their Playstation "technological leader" image big.

Facebook on the other side already invested BILLIONS on Oculus. And they won't stop there - they need hardware which drives their experience at reasonable costs for the consumer. And if that means to subsidize - THEY can afford it as Sony and Microsoft in their golden ages...