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Intrinsic said:
zorg1000 said:


What's with people like u these days acting like everybody owes u something? What does the owner making money have to do with anything, if we were paying customers than u would have a point but the site and it's numbers are free so yes in a sense it is in fact a charity to us.


if u knew half of what u were talking about, then you would know that nothing is free on the internet. and then u would know that there is no charity about any of this. 

and this is not about entitlement. if u think that that's what this is about then as I said, you have no idea what you are talking about. this is not even about the owner making money or not. its simple. you make a site, your site offers a service. be it news, sales data, a marketplace, access to ur friends pictures and updates....whatever. every site serves a purpose. how good that site is at meeting that purpose ensures its user base and reputation grows. the more those two grows, the more money that site makes. IT IS NOT WRONG, ENTITLEMENT, SELFISH.... or whatever, to simply ask that a site does what its supposed to do.

What do u mean nothing is free on the internet? Does it cost u money to access this site and view it's sales data? Nope, so that indeed makes it free.

The comment I originally replied to was u stating holidays/family were not a legitimate excuse for not having numbers up to date. U saying that another human being has no right to temporarily leave his job to go on vacation to spend time with family over the holidays is selfish, there is no debating that.

What is ur job? Are u not allowed vacation/holiday/personal days? Do u fail to meet ur purpose and hurt ur reputation when u take a day off or go on vacation?



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zorg1000 said:
Intrinsic said:
zorg1000 said:


What's with people like u these days acting like everybody owes u something? What does the owner making money have to do with anything, if we were paying customers than u would have a point but the site and it's numbers are free so yes in a sense it is in fact a charity to us.


if u knew half of what u were talking about, then you would know that nothing is free on the internet. and then u would know that there is no charity about any of this. 

and this is not about entitlement. if u think that that's what this is about then as I said, you have no idea what you are talking about. this is not even about the owner making money or not. its simple. you make a site, your site offers a service. be it news, sales data, a marketplace, access to ur friends pictures and updates....whatever. every site serves a purpose. how good that site is at meeting that purpose ensures its user base and reputation grows. the more those two grows, the more money that site makes. IT IS NOT WRONG, ENTITLEMENT, SELFISH.... or whatever, to simply ask that a site does what its supposed to do.

What do u mean nothing is free on the internet? Does it cost u money to access this site and view it's sales data? Nope, so that indeed makes it free.

The comment I originally replied to was u stating holidays/family were not a legitimate excuse for not having numbers up to date. U saying that another human being has no right to temporarily leave his job to go on vacation to spend time with family over the holidays is selfish, there is no debating that.

What is ur job? Are u not allowed vacation/holiday/personal days? Do u fail to meet ur purpose and hurt ur reputation when u take a day off or go on vacation?


Fact is as a member of the site and community he can complain about what he sees fit. If they wish to keep the revenue coming in they will do the stuff on their end. This site makes money off of us the users so we the people here basicly help them make money. Is there not even people that pay for the information? Do they have numbers yet?

 

Now they can feel free to vacation whenever they like however a simple heads up, have more than one person that has the ability to come up with the numbers, perhaps post rough estimates till someone gets back. I dont know these are just some ideas. Plenty of companies take vacation but still function properly. You dont see ign stop over christmas and new years. Magazines still run. The world doesnt stop because christmas and new years. 



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zorg1000 said:
Intrinsic said:
zorg1000 said:


What's with people like u these days acting like everybody owes u something? What does the owner making money have to do with anything, if we were paying customers than u would have a point but the site and it's numbers are free so yes in a sense it is in fact a charity to us.


if u knew half of what u were talking about, then you would know that nothing is free on the internet. and then u would know that there is no charity about any of this. 

and this is not about entitlement. if u think that that's what this is about then as I said, you have no idea what you are talking about. this is not even about the owner making money or not. its simple. you make a site, your site offers a service. be it news, sales data, a marketplace, access to ur friends pictures and updates....whatever. every site serves a purpose. how good that site is at meeting that purpose ensures its user base and reputation grows. the more those two grows, the more money that site makes. IT IS NOT WRONG, ENTITLEMENT, SELFISH.... or whatever, to simply ask that a site does what its supposed to do.

What do u mean nothing is free on the internet? Does it cost u money to access this site and view it's sales data? Nope, so that indeed makes it free.

The comment I originally replied to was u stating holidays/family were not a legitimate excuse for not having numbers up to date. U saying that another human being has no right to temporarily leave his job to go on vacation to spend time with family over the holidays is selfish, there is no debating that.

What is ur job? Are u not allowed vacation/holiday/personal days? Do u fail to meet ur purpose and hurt ur reputation when u take a day off or go on vacation?

You aren't smart enough to pick up on the context of what Intrinsic meant by nothing is free on the internet. Nowhere did Intrinsic talk about ioi's rights. Intrinsic I'm sure has a job, ioi has a business, big difference young grasshopper.

Intrinsic is simply judging the site and stating how its a poorly run business when ioi just simply doesn't update numbers, which this site is known for. If you want to defend ioi then go ahead but in no way does that take away form the fact that Intrinsic has a very valid point.



JamaicameCRAZY said:
zorg1000 said:
Intrinsic said:
zorg1000 said:


What's with people like u these days acting like everybody owes u something? What does the owner making money have to do with anything, if we were paying customers than u would have a point but the site and it's numbers are free so yes in a sense it is in fact a charity to us.


if u knew half of what u were talking about, then you would know that nothing is free on the internet. and then u would know that there is no charity about any of this. 

and this is not about entitlement. if u think that that's what this is about then as I said, you have no idea what you are talking about. this is not even about the owner making money or not. its simple. you make a site, your site offers a service. be it news, sales data, a marketplace, access to ur friends pictures and updates....whatever. every site serves a purpose. how good that site is at meeting that purpose ensures its user base and reputation grows. the more those two grows, the more money that site makes. IT IS NOT WRONG, ENTITLEMENT, SELFISH.... or whatever, to simply ask that a site does what its supposed to do.

What do u mean nothing is free on the internet? Does it cost u money to access this site and view it's sales data? Nope, so that indeed makes it free.

The comment I originally replied to was u stating holidays/family were not a legitimate excuse for not having numbers up to date. U saying that another human being has no right to temporarily leave his job to go on vacation to spend time with family over the holidays is selfish, there is no debating that.

What is ur job? Are u not allowed vacation/holiday/personal days? Do u fail to meet ur purpose and hurt ur reputation when u take a day off or go on vacation?


Fact is as a member of the site and community he can complain about what he sees fit. If they wish to keep the revenue coming in they will do the stuff on their end. This site makes money off of us the users so we the people here basicly help them make money. Is there not even people that pay for the information? Do they have numbers yet?

 

Now they can feel free to vacation whenever they like however a simple heads up, have more than one person that has the ability to come up with the numbers, perhaps post rough estimates till someone gets back. I dont know these are just some ideas. Plenty of companies take vacation but still function properly. You dont see ign stop over christmas and new years. Magazines still run. The world doesnt stop because christmas and new years. 

I certainly agree that things could be ran better and ur suggestions are all valid ways to help fix the problem. Ur also right that there are plenty of companies that function over the holidays but on the other hand, there are also plenty of companies that shut down completely for the entire month of December or sometimes the entire winter, so it goes both ways. And yes I know he does get paid for this site but we don't pay out of our pockets to recieve this data so it is free for us.

Of course Intrinsic has the right to complain, I didn't say he wasn't allowed to, but at the same time I have the right to call him out on acting like ioi shouldn't be allowed to take a vacation during the holidays.



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Intrinsic said:
binary solo said:
Intrinsic said:

i hate to be that guy, but posts like these rub me the wrong way. its not like the site doesn't make money from us simply being on here. I'm sorry, but when a site that is primarily based and designed to give sales numbers weakly is not giving sales numbers, then that's a problem. 

They've certainly been weak about giving sales numbers lately.

IMO if VGC has a single point of failure (ioi) then VGC has a problem. If ioi gets hit by a bus (or ebola) does the site essentially fall over and become defunct?

thank God!!! someone that gets it. 

this is just all round bad form if an entire site that potentially makes over 500k/yr  is fully tied to just one person. but to somehow be the one saying this is wrong and insensitive. 

we are fast approaching 3 weeks of lagging sales data. what good is a site that can't do the one thing its supposed to be doing? 

I'd be happy with just a bit of communication. An announcement saying "sorry folks there'll be no data posted for the next x weeks because..." 

It is a bit ridiculous that we don't even have pre-orders for the last couple of weeks and there is just a wall of silence about these delays.



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A_C_E said:
zorg1000 said:
Intrinsic said:
zorg1000 said:

What do u mean nothing is free on the internet? Does it cost u money to access this site and view it's sales data? Nope, so that indeed makes it free.

The comment I originally replied to was u stating holidays/family were not a legitimate excuse for not having numbers up to date. U saying that another human being has no right to temporarily leave his job to go on vacation to spend time with family over the holidays is selfish, there is no debating that.

What is ur job? Are u not allowed vacation/holiday/personal days? Do u fail to meet ur purpose and hurt ur reputation when u take a day off or go on vacation?

You aren't smart enough to pick up on the context of what Intrinsic meant by nothing is free on the internet. Nowhere did Intrinsic talk about ioi's rights. Intrinsic I'm sure has a job, ioi has a business, big difference young grasshopper.

Intrinsic is simply judging the site and stating how its a poorly run business when ioi just simply doesn't update numbers, which this site is known for. If you want to defend ioi then go ahead but in no way does that take away form the fact that Intrinsic has a very valid point.

Please enlighten me wise one, what does he mean nothing is free on the internet? If I'm not paying for a service then it is free, regardless if ioi is making money from us visiting the site, no money is coming out of my pocket so it is free, that is a fact.

Go back and look at the post I originally replied to, he said holidays/family were not an excuse to take time off. And yes I know ioi runs a business, the machine shop I used to work at is known for manufacturing, during the holidays the entire company shuts down for nearly an entire month, during this time the company is not doing what its known for, just like this site is not doing what its known for when ioi is gone.

Intrinsic is right that the site could be ran better, like another poster said, ioi could have simply made a thread saying he was taking a few weeks off so we weren't sitting around wondering when numbers would show up, that would have been a nice easy way to avoid such a situation. I just feel we shouldn't really complain about how a site is ran if money isn't coming out of our pockets. Yes I know, ioi gets revenue from us visiting the site but that's not the same as actually having to pay.



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chakkra said:
Intrinsic said:
zorg1000 said:

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So ioi isn't allowed to take vacation to spend time with family/friends for the holidays because u want updated numbers? Sounds pretty selfish to me.


jesus what's with people these days and acting like everyone is doing them some sort of favor????

do you think ioi made, and runs the site purely off charity and from the goodness of his heart? do u have any idea how much he makes from this site? are we not all here primarily for dales data? is the sites name not based on sales data????? yet to be on the site and expect said sales data is so,show being selfish? 

how's this for selfish. if I make a site and the site goes on to make a lot of money for me. I owe it to the members or people that come visisting that site to provide them the service the site is set to provide. failure to do so will be quite simply that, me failing as a site. look at it this way, if there were another site called vgsales. and every single Friday like clockwork that site had sales data. and also had forums as good as s this one with better tools, this site will fall hard or ioi will start taking the site more seriously. this is just a simple fact, but Yh, I am probably selfish and the bad guy here. 

Well, a lot more important entities take the time off  (schools, government offices and even services companies) for christmas. So I don't see what's so bad about a free entertainment website taking a week off. 

And you know, you could always find another website if you feel this one is not satisfying youre needs and you are not getting your money's woth.

Btw, I don't think you actually hate to be that guy.

Boxofficemojo and rotten tomatoes don't take time off and they're free entertainment reporting sites. Boxoffice mojo is pretty much a direct comparison to this site, but with movies. It also gets worldwide data. It doesn't take a break and delay reporting boxoffice taking for a few weeks. In fact it reports US weekend estimates on the Sunday of the reporting weekend. A sales tracking site that wants to be taken seriously has data release schedules that don't take breaks and releases data like clockwork. Because there isn't just one person who manages the data. 



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zorg1000 said:
A_C_E said:
zorg1000 said:
Intrinsic said:
zorg1000 said:

What do u mean nothing is free on the internet? Does it cost u money to access this site and view it's sales data? Nope, so that indeed makes it free.

The comment I originally replied to was u stating holidays/family were not a legitimate excuse for not having numbers up to date. U saying that another human being has no right to temporarily leave his job to go on vacation to spend time with family over the holidays is selfish, there is no debating that.

What is ur job? Are u not allowed vacation/holiday/personal days? Do u fail to meet ur purpose and hurt ur reputation when u take a day off or go on vacation?

You aren't smart enough to pick up on the context of what Intrinsic meant by nothing is free on the internet. Nowhere did Intrinsic talk about ioi's rights. Intrinsic I'm sure has a job, ioi has a business, big difference young grasshopper.

Intrinsic is simply judging the site and stating how its a poorly run business when ioi just simply doesn't update numbers, which this site is known for. If you want to defend ioi then go ahead but in no way does that take away form the fact that Intrinsic has a very valid point.

Please enlighten me wise one, what does he mean nothing is free on the internet? If I'm not paying for a service then it is free, regardless if ioi is making money from us visiting the site, no money is coming out of my pocket so it is free, that is a fact.

Go back and look at the post I originally replied to, he said holidays/family were not an excuse to take time off. And yes I know ioi runs a business, the machine shop I used to work at is known for manufacturing, during the holidays the entire company shuts down for nearly an entire month, during this time the company is not doing what its known for, just like this site is not doing what its known for when ioi is gone.

Intrinsic is right that the site could be ran better, like another poster said, ioi could have simply made a thread saying he was taking a few weeks off so we weren't sitting around wondering when numbers would show up, that would have been a nice easy way to avoid such a situation. I just feel we shouldn't really complain about how a site is ran if money isn't coming out of our pockets. Yes I know, ioi gets revenue from us visiting the site but that's not the same as actually having to pay.

You know what, yep your right, that's totally what Intrinsic meant, Intrinsic definitely meant that you had to pay for VGChartz numbers your right. pffffhahahaha...

I went back and looked at the post, nowhere did Intrinsic talk about ioi's rights.



A_C_E said:
zorg1000 said:
A_C_E said:
zorg1000 said:
Intrinsic said:
zorg1000 said:

What do u mean nothing is free on the internet? Does it cost u money to access this site and view it's sales data? Nope, so that indeed makes it free.

The comment I originally replied to was u stating holidays/family were not a legitimate excuse for not having numbers up to date. U saying that another human being has no right to temporarily leave his job to go on vacation to spend time with family over the holidays is selfish, there is no debating that.

What is ur job? Are u not allowed vacation/holiday/personal days? Do u fail to meet ur purpose and hurt ur reputation when u take a day off or go on vacation?

You aren't smart enough to pick up on the context of what Intrinsic meant by nothing is free on the internet. Nowhere did Intrinsic talk about ioi's rights. Intrinsic I'm sure has a job, ioi has a business, big difference young grasshopper.

Intrinsic is simply judging the site and stating how its a poorly run business when ioi just simply doesn't update numbers, which this site is known for. If you want to defend ioi then go ahead but in no way does that take away form the fact that Intrinsic has a very valid point.

Please enlighten me wise one, what does he mean nothing is free on the internet? If I'm not paying for a service then it is free, regardless if ioi is making money from us visiting the site, no money is coming out of my pocket so it is free, that is a fact.

Go back and look at the post I originally replied to, he said holidays/family were not an excuse to take time off. And yes I know ioi runs a business, the machine shop I used to work at is known for manufacturing, during the holidays the entire company shuts down for nearly an entire month, during this time the company is not doing what its known for, just like this site is not doing what its known for when ioi is gone.

Intrinsic is right that the site could be ran better, like another poster said, ioi could have simply made a thread saying he was taking a few weeks off so we weren't sitting around wondering when numbers would show up, that would have been a nice easy way to avoid such a situation. I just feel we shouldn't really complain about how a site is ran if money isn't coming out of our pockets. Yes I know, ioi gets revenue from us visiting the site but that's not the same as actually having to pay.

You know what, yep your right, that's totally what Intrinsic meant, Intrinsic definitely meant that you had to pay for VGChartz numbers your right. pffffhahahaha...

I went back and looked at the post, nowhere did Intrinsic talk about ioi's rights.


Do u even know what he meant? Because I asked u and ur response was just a smart ass remark. I'll ask again, what did he mean by nothing is free on the internet?

He said holidays/family were not an excuse for not having up to date numbers, that implies that providing video game sales figures to people who pay nothing for his services is more important than taking a vacation during the holidays to visit family/friends.



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