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vivster said:
Raistline said:

I would like to make a minor correction for a statement made earlier, It was made a few pages back.
To the person that suggested a 400W PSU for a 4770k paired with a GTX 980, this is a very bad idea.

For a gaming machine (especially if you plan to overlcock anything) you should always buy a PSU that is rated at least %20 higher than the actual system draw, even if you have a Platinum rated PSU. The reasoning behind this is that if you buy a PSU that is too closely rated to your actual draw the PSU will be working at full capacity at nearly all times of operation. This will cause an early failure of your PSU, random reboots, BSOD's during power spikes among other PSU related issues.
If you get a PSU that is rated at lest 20% higher than actual draw on your system it will not run as hot, will last longer and even after a few years when it is no longer able to run at maximum efficiency it will still be able to power your system without the above motioned issues.
A 4770K (or comparable CPU), with 2 drives (any combo of SDD, HDD, and ODD), and a GTX 980 should have at least a 550W Silver rated PSU for the best stability over the long term. (this assumes a typical system with 3+ fans and 2-4 USB devices connected at all times)

The power draw for a 4770k@4.4GHz + 980 is less than 300W(including the rest of the system). Meaning the system won't even reach 80% PSU capacity.

http://www.computerbase.de/2014-09/geforce-gtx-980-970-test-sli-nvidia/12/

People are too fast overestimating actual consumption of hardware. Especially when it comes to Intel and Nvidia which have notoriously high efficiency.

The only reason I will probably buy a 450W or 480W PSU for my i7 5770k + Big Maxwell combo is that smaller PSUs do not have enough connectors. Broadwell i7s will draw even less than Haswells due to the shrink and I would rather kill myself before I buy a 500+W PSU ever again.

Since the site you are using is not in English I will refer to tomshardware which does the most extensive testing out of any site that I know of.

Here is the direct link with the wattage usage for a non-overclocked system using a GTx 980. It is on the low end and suprisingly lower than I orignaly thought. Avg draw is ~175W peaking at just under 350W. This is one Sata device, adding a second would at max add another 10W per device. The average machine has 2 or 3 so we can  asume 360W max load for an average PC.  

360X1.2 so that you have teh 20% overhad puts you at 432 Watts. If you have a PSU with enough conneciton for everything you would be perfectly safe with a 450W Silver PSU, or a 475W Bronze. You could get by with a 400 but the PSU will have a higher chance of failure working at 85%+ of max fequently.  The power draw shown for 60 seconds reaches max draw frequently enough to base your PSU purchase on that.

Here is the link. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-970-maxwell,3941-12.html. Look for graph labeled with TOTAL.



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the-pi-guy said:
Raistline said:

Since the site you are using is not in English I will refer to tomshardware which does the most extensive testing out of any site that I know of.

Here is the direct link with the wattage usage for a non-overclocked system using a GTx 980. It is on the low end and suprisingly lower than I orignaly thought. Avg draw is ~175W peaking at just under 350W. This is one Sata device, adding a second would at max add another 10W per device. The average machine has 2 or 3 so we can  asume 360W max load for an average PC.  

360X1.2 so that you have teh 20% overhad puts you at 432 Watts. If you have a PSU with enough conneciton for everything you would be perfectly safe with a 450W Silver PSU, or a 475W Bronze. You could get by with a 400 but the PSU will have a higher chance of failure working at 85%+ of max fequently.  The power draw shown for 60 seconds reaches max draw frequently enough to base your PSU purchase on that.

Here is the link. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-970-maxwell,3941-12.html. Look for graph labeled with TOTAL.

Bronze and Silver ratings are about energy efficiency and the wattage is how much the PSU can supply.  

Efficency = output/input.

450 w bronze PSU and a 450 w silver PSU will both supply the same amount of power.  The input is what will be different.  

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7988/corsairs-ax1500i-released-a-1500w-80-plus-titanium-psu

Notice the DC ouput rating is what the wattage is.  

I understand that the Bronze/Silver/Gold is about effeciency and that the W rating is how much output it has. 

The reason I suggest a higher W output for a Bronze vs a Silver is because for a Bronze level PSU to output the 450W it has to work harder than a Silver one doing the same. The harder a PSU has to work the faster it will break down.  If a Bronze level PSU is working non-stop close to it's max output it will die much sooner than a Silver rated one. Bronze PSU max output are typically very close to their power output rating while Silver and Gold rated PSUs typically have a higher max output then their Power Rating. This is not always the case but I have learned to err on the side of caution for PSU selection.

Sticking with a brand that is well known for underrating their PSU wattage output is also another sound way to avoid the Gold/Silver/Bronze strategy I listed above. You could also do all of the above, never buy less than Silver, stick with well known brand and buy lines of PSU that is known to underrate their PSU wattage output.



Raistline said:
vivster said:
Raistline said:

I would like to make a minor correction for a statement made earlier, It was made a few pages back.
To the person that suggested a 400W PSU for a 4770k paired with a GTX 980, this is a very bad idea.

For a gaming machine (especially if you plan to overlcock anything) you should always buy a PSU that is rated at least %20 higher than the actual system draw, even if you have a Platinum rated PSU. The reasoning behind this is that if you buy a PSU that is too closely rated to your actual draw the PSU will be working at full capacity at nearly all times of operation. This will cause an early failure of your PSU, random reboots, BSOD's during power spikes among other PSU related issues.
If you get a PSU that is rated at lest 20% higher than actual draw on your system it will not run as hot, will last longer and even after a few years when it is no longer able to run at maximum efficiency it will still be able to power your system without the above motioned issues.
A 4770K (or comparable CPU), with 2 drives (any combo of SDD, HDD, and ODD), and a GTX 980 should have at least a 550W Silver rated PSU for the best stability over the long term. (this assumes a typical system with 3+ fans and 2-4 USB devices connected at all times)

The power draw for a 4770k@4.4GHz + 980 is less than 300W(including the rest of the system). Meaning the system won't even reach 80% PSU capacity.

http://www.computerbase.de/2014-09/geforce-gtx-980-970-test-sli-nvidia/12/

People are too fast overestimating actual consumption of hardware. Especially when it comes to Intel and Nvidia which have notoriously high efficiency.

The only reason I will probably buy a 450W or 480W PSU for my i7 5770k + Big Maxwell combo is that smaller PSUs do not have enough connectors. Broadwell i7s will draw even less than Haswells due to the shrink and I would rather kill myself before I buy a 500+W PSU ever again.

Since the site you are using is not in English I will refer to tomshardware which does the most extensive testing out of any site that I know of.

Here is the direct link with the wattage usage for a non-overclocked system using a GTx 980. It is on the low end and suprisingly lower than I orignaly thought. Avg draw is ~175W peaking at just under 350W. This is one Sata device, adding a second would at max add another 10W per device. The average machine has 2 or 3 so we can  asume 360W max load for an average PC.

360X1.2 so that you have teh 20% overhad puts you at 432 Watts. If you have a PSU with enough conneciton for everything you would be perfectly safe with a 450W Silver PSU, or a 475W Bronze. You could get by with a 400 but the PSU will have a higher chance of failure working at 85%+ of max fequently.  The power draw shown for 60 seconds reaches max draw frequently enough to base your PSU purchase on that.

Here is the link. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-980-970-maxwell,3941-12.html. Look for graph labeled with TOTAL.

While I absolutely respect Tom's Hardware I will go by my personal experience(I use a power measurement tool on my current PC) and that of computerbase which I absolutely trust. My PC will only have 2 SATA devices. One SSD and one slow spinning 2TB drive which won't even reach 10W together. There also won't be a lot of fans inside the case.

I am expecting with the big maxwell and i7 57xx with both base clocked an overall draw below 350W. Sadly There isn't much choice regarding low powered PSUs with high 80+ standards. Looks like I'm limited to Enermax 430W Gold, BeQuiet 480W Gold or Enermax 500W platinum.

So ultimately this whole discussion is pointless because the market won't let me buy a 400W Platinum or Gold PSU to my liking^^

The PSU market really needs to step up its game. I couldn't even find a proper 100-200W Gold PSU in ATX form factor for my cute little server that consumes 80W at peak.



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Mr playstation your threads are good. Nintendo plus ms fans outnumber ps fans on here so that's why you get stick.



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In total spent around £800, including original build (£500) and then upgrades over the past few years (SSD, New GFX card and Ram)

I can play FarCry 4 at Ultra, but need to have AA on low to maintain a solid 60FPS when high action is going on.

And nobody can run Unity at a solid 60fps 1080p. Nobody.



Current Game Machines: 3DS, Wii U, PC.

Currently Playing: X-Com(PC), Smash Bros(WiiU), Banner Saga(PC), Guild Wars 2(PC), Project X Zone(3DS), Luigis Mansion 2(3DS), DayZ(PC)

If this is to prove console gaming is cheaper. Pc doesn't pay for online, and the steam deals are much better than anything on console



Ltd predictions by the time 9th Gen comes out

Ps4:110million

Xbox one :75 million( was 65) 

Wii u: 20 milliion

Kerotan said:
Mr playstation your threads are good. Nintendo plus ms fans outnumber ps fans on here so that's why you get stick.


Thanks I guess. But what does the second sentence mean?



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Mr.Playstation said:
hsrob said:
I don't even care but with this thread you are clearly trying to start shit.

If you want to give at least the vaguest illusion of wanting to have a civil discussion you really you put some effort into your OP, it's much more effective bait.


I am not trying to start a fight. I want to know if a pc gamer can run games on ultra at 1080P/60fps and how much his rig costs. So an answer should look something like this:

Yes.$1200.


Why are you even asking if you know what the answer should be like? Your making it sound like a pointless thread for an answer.



Keegs79 said:
Mr.Playstation said:
hsrob said:
I don't even care but with this thread you are clearly trying to start shit.

If you want to give at least the vaguest illusion of wanting to have a civil discussion you really you put some effort into your OP, it's much more effective bait.


I am not trying to start a fight. I want to know if a pc gamer can run games on ultra at 1080P/60fps and how much his rig costs. So an answer should look something like this:

Yes.$1200.


Why are you even asking if you know what the answer should be like? Your making it sound like a pointless thread for an answer.


The >200 posts this thread got begs to differ. 



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