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lol americas lost every war fought on there own, you would have lost



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spurgeonryan said:

Europe was in ashes. 

20 million plus dead in Russia.

Japan crippled.

India and China were push overs at the time.

Now look at America today. The world is passing us by, I am told by some Vgchartans this will be our last Christmas was in 2014.

China and Dubai seem to own half or more of America and now we went from winning a Cold War against Russia and World War against the Axis of Evil to getting our butts kicked by some villagers in Afghanistan and Iraq.

 

If we would have struck back then, would we have won?

 

The US handled the situation perfectly. They sat back, watched all of the worlds most powerful beat eachothr senseless, and then came in to finish the job. They gave massive loans, leaving them in a controlling scenario with many nations. But let's be honest here. A few hundred years prior to this, the US was a speck. Over time, power shifts and changes hands. There is always at least one massive power and none of them last forever. Just like everything else in human history has sped up, the rise and fall of empires has too. Some empires are cultural, as the Celts were. I also enjoy thinking of how the Vikings were, and how the Scandanavians have now adapted and are so different. Some are imperialistic. How they struggle to remain in existence will define their path forward. Let's just hope it's not an Egypt type scenario. Let's just hope that the US can hang on and remain a decent place for the forseeable future. Heck, if we look hard enough, every country in Europe was once a massive power house in their own right, in their own way.



bouzane said:
It's doubtful that America could have defeated the Soviet Union after WWII let alone the entire world. Additionally, it would have been impossible to retain the new territory. Conquering the planet through force can never be achieved, hence why it has never happened.


Agreed. And in fairness, America couldn't even conquer a handful of small 3rd world countries in the last few years.



With all due respect Mr. Captain America, you'd have been trashed.



Nah.

Could have run over a whole lot of land though.



                            

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cfin2987@gmail.com said:
bouzane said:
It's doubtful that America could have defeated the Soviet Union after WWII let alone the entire world. Additionally, it would have been impossible to retain the new territory. Conquering the planet through force can never be achieved, hence why it has never happened.


Agreed. And in fairness, America couldn't even conquer a handful of small 3rd world countries in the last few years.


You honestly believe they are trying to conquer those countries? The death toll in the middle east is super 1 sided. I see a lot of people underestimating the U.S military right now. We have by far the best military currently and could take out any country still with the amount of firepower and advanced technology we have. It's not like all that money that we spend on the military doesn't do anything. We still spend the most out of any other country by far.



There actually where plans on striking back at the Soviet Union right after (or in the ending stages of) World War 2 (Google Operation Unthinkable if you want to know more about it).

It would have been next to impossible to pull it through, hence why it was not done. While the West had much superior Naval and better Air Forces at the time, the Army of the Soviet Union was both stronger and bigger than their western counterparts combined. They also had better Tanks with much better Armor than the American tanks (the IS 2 was nearly unstoppable, even Germany's best antitank gun, the 8,8cm Pak 43 L/71 needed a perfect hit to the side armor to take these out; and the even stronger IS3 was soon to be fielded, as was the T54). In other words, they would have Steamrolled western Armies and their production facilities where totally out of range, making nukes useless against them.

As for the US doing it alone, they would face a serious backlash worldwide for doublecrossing their former allies, branding them as even worse as even Stalins Soviet Union during the Red Scare. It would also start with a total evecuation of europe as the british navy would blockade all the possible sea supply lines from the US near the european coasts. This leaves the southern japanese islands and Corea as the only possible attack vectors. And while China was weak and divided (they still are, Taiwan is actually what's left of the Republic of China), their monstrous manpower pool is more than enough to make it a serious threat, especially if the PRC gets supplied in large quantities by the Soviet Union (as the americans learned the hard way during the Corean War). Plus, the Soviet Union being directly to the north means that their armies would soon interwene. I don't think that the US could break out of Corea anytime soon as they would be seriously supply constrained unlike their foes, making their numeral advantages nil. And like I said, doublecrossing former allies is a very bad idea. Especially if one of them is diectly to the north of your own country an with best ties to another (and the strongest) former ally, namingly the british (Newfoundland was also still british at the time). This means the US would at least have to fight on 2 fronts (Canada and Corea), and if Mexico would intervene (with all the territories lost during the Manifest Destiny one could hardly blame them to, either) they would threaten the texan oil fields and the Californian Naval bases anf force the US to further splinter their Army.

So no, not a chance of staying on top. Even less so if they would try it nowadays due to the irrational high fear of casualities in a war, which would turn off public support in a very short time.

Phew, that post became much longer than I anticipated



veritaz said:
cfin2987@gmail.com said:
bouzane said:
It's doubtful that America could have defeated the Soviet Union after WWII let alone the entire world. Additionally, it would have been impossible to retain the new territory. Conquering the planet through force can never be achieved, hence why it has never happened.


Agreed. And in fairness, America couldn't even conquer a handful of small 3rd world countries in the last few years.


You honestly believe they are trying to conquer those countries? The death toll in the middle east is super 1 sided. I see a lot of people underestimating the U.S military right now. We have by far the best military currently and could take out any country still with the amount of firepower and advanced technology we have. It's not like all that money that we spend on the military doesn't do anything. We still spend the most out of any other country by far.



We owe china nearly 1 trillion US dollars and it's growing. They are the #1 country we borrow money from. Our 2011 military budget was 664 billion. Overall, we owe around 3 trillion in foreign debt. We couldn't afford to wage war unless we borrow money or cancel some welfare checks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalmers_Johnson

"Johnson believed that the enforcement of American hegemony over the world constitutes a new form of global empire. Whereas traditional empires maintained control over subject peoples via colonies, since World War II the US has developed a vast system of hundreds of military bases around the world where it has strategic interests. "

Not to mention the works of other such as Noam Chomsky.



You do know that you don't have to make a thread about EVERY random thought that crosses your mind, right?