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Oh my God! John Lucas is back! I'm so happy!

You always come up with this Nintendo strategy to lead its competitors (Sonly, Microsoft, PC, smartphones, tablets) into a trap, i.e. to launch the 8. console generation early to make them panicky release their 8. generation unfinished and to bleed them financially dry in their power game, to let them copy successfull Nintendo features (remote controll, casual market, etc.) so they can fight them on ground where they are stronger, to let them still worry about the handheld market because of the success of 3DS which takes their focus away from things which are more important, etc.

Honestly, while you always have to be aware of what your competitors do, what their strong and weak points are, I don't think that Nintendo has a strategy to "kill off" their competitors. They really don't care too much about their competitors because they are completely focused on their own. That is and was always their strongest point and that's exactely why they always can raise up like the Phoenix from the ashes when they are on a low point.



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Justagamer said:
MikeRox said:
Justagamer said:
MikeRox said:
Justagamer said:


No one on earth thought the ps1 was more powerful than the n64. Stop joking.


The games often looked better. That gives the impression of being more powerful.

It's actually just that the PS1 had much more versatile architechture meaning it was able to make certain genres look better. Not all games were huge open 3D worlds, which is what the N64 was designed around. Put a PS1 game in a corridor or whatever, and it was able to pull of perceivably equivalent visuals. I can't think of a racing game on the N64 that looked better than say Ridge Racer Type 4 on the PS1. Plenty of 60fps beat em ups on the PS1 too which looked silky smooth whilst most N64 beat em ups ran at half that.


PS1 had a more versatile media, that is the only thing that was better. The ps1 had the ugliest, pixelated mess for textures, polygon tearing up the ass, polygon warping and bending, it was so horribly underpowered, it wasn't even in the same class as the n64. It had the superior library, but please stop with the nonsense that it was more powerful. If the ps1 was more powerful than the n64, then the x1 is more powerful than the ps4... atleast they are actually close in terms of performance, where as the ps1 was not even close to the n64 in terms of power. Not even close. The n64's best could never have been done on the ps1. Simple as that. 


Read my actual post. I haven't once said the PS1 was more powerful than the N64. And no, it had a more versatile architecture (it ran far more genres more competently). N64 was geared up to huge (at the time) open worlds, and even games in closed environments (racing games, beat em ups, etc.)  were treated as if they were these. That was why so many games that ran at slick 60fps on PS1 had choppy frame rates on the N64 which as I said gave the PERCEPTION (look the word up if you don't know what it means) that the PS1 was the more capable system.

Pre rendered backgrounds also helped A LOT. They took up a lot of space and N64 cartridges just weren't suitable for it, but at the time, looked much better than polygonal games.

Resident Evil, Final Fantasy, Dino Crisis etc all helped give the perception that the PS1 was a more powerful system.

The N64's best I agree, would not work on PS1 (Crash Bandicoot was a corridor platformer for example) however, there were so many other genres and games that the PS1 did far better, that it was still perceived by many as the better and more capable machine.


No, the ps1 hardware didn't run genres better, that doesn't even make sense, lol. And back to that argument, it didn't run resident evil and such better due to its hardware, but due to cds. Again, lol. And if the perception, in your eyes, made the ps1 look better, well, maybe a good pair of glasses would have helped clear that fuzzy view up. 60 fps doesn't help hide those ugly ass graphics, neither does poor eye sight.


Yeah youre not even reading the post. I guess you still havent bothered to look up what perception means. The SNES and Mega Drive had different architectures too. The MD was much faster due to its processor, but the SNES had much better sprite capabilities and Mode 7. Believe it or not this also meant they were able to run different types of game better than the other.

If you cant grasp this simple concept, there is no point continuing further.

As for eye sight. Yeah, has no impact on how something is perceived to look. I hated the grainy warping rendering on the ps1. A lot of people actually preferred it due to the realism they felt it added. 60fps doesnt make a game look better, but makes it play a lot better.

Its not rocket science but you need to be able to look at a perspective beyond your own narrow ideals to be able to see this.

http://atariage.com/forums/topic/208186-why-doesnt-n64-look-better-than-ps1/

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/why-do-people-think-ps1-pss-games-look-better-than-28655556/

Again I was an N64 gamer bac then, but as these links show, plenty of people preferred the graphics provided in PS1 games.



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badgenome said:
After all these years I'm still unclear on this: is John Lucas a joke character? Or does he really believe this stuff?


Check his youtube channel. He is dead serious about this stuff



Wow. Not much else to say, really.



Kane1389 said:

Check his youtube channel. He is dead serious about this stuff

Yeah. It only took me a few minutes of listening to one interview with him to be convinced. He's definitely sincere. Now I feel bad!



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A lot to read. But regarding who will win, whoever makes the most profit wins.



Kane1389 said:
badgenome said:
After all these years I'm still unclear on this: is John Lucas a joke character? Or does he really believe this stuff?


Check his youtube channel. He is dead serious about this stuff

How? are his videos as wordy as the OP? there are 10 hour long videos of paint drying on youtube I could be watching!

I'd really love to see an answer to Seece tho, if he doesn't dismiss that issue there is no point in addressing anything else in the thread.



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johnlucas said:
Captain_Tom said:
PenguinZ said:

I think the last point is true to some extent... Power does not sell consoles.


Power definately sells products as long as the cost isn't too high.  This is probably one of the biggest laughably wrong lists I have ever seen.


So the more powerful $300 XBox of 2001 had no problem overcoming the weaker $300 PlayStation 2, huh?
And the more powerful $200 Gamecube had no problem overcoming that same weaker $300 PlayStation 2.

What about that $200 Nintendo 64 powerhouse wiping the floor with that weaker $300 PlayStation of 1994?

And I guess the more powerful $200 Sega Master System easily overcame the weaker $200 Nintendo Entertainment System too, right?

I laid the proof out for you all generation by generation.
IT'S NOT POWER, guys.

John Lucas

P.S.: Happy New Year!

You read the wrong pattern there. It's not the weaker system that always wins. It's the Sony System that always wins. It's now off to its 4th consecutive console generation win.



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vivster said:
johnlucas said:


So the more powerful $300 XBox of 2001 had no problem overcoming the weaker $300 PlayStation 2, huh?
And the more powerful $200 Gamecube had no problem overcoming that same weaker $300 PlayStation 2.

What about that $200 Nintendo 64 powerhouse wiping the floor with that weaker $300 PlayStation of 1994?

And I guess the more powerful $200 Sega Master System easily overcame the weaker $200 Nintendo Entertainment System too, right?

I laid the proof out for you all generation by generation.
IT'S NOT POWER, guys.

John Lucas

P.S.: Happy New Year!

You read the wrong pattern there. It's not the weaker system that always wins. It's the Sony System that always wins. It's now off to its 4th consecutive console generation win.

I guess the Wii was never a thing!



                
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AZWification said:
vivster said:

You read the wrong pattern there. It's not the weaker system that always wins. It's the Sony System that always wins. It's now off to its 4th consecutive console generation win.

I guess the Wii was never a thing!

What's a Wii?



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