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I got real things to worry about, so Im not going to start worrying about fairy tales...



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Free will is an illusion anyway, so I'm not worried.



 
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I actually think those are some good questions, whether or not one believes in god(s). The christian God is primarily concerned with obedience - eg the sacrifice of Isaac. He doesn't really give a shit about much else, no human achievement impresses him, not math science or art. Not even virtue matters according to most Christians. You might be virtuous, but if you don't accept Christ as your savior, then sorry but you're fucked. this attitude is even more pronounced in Islam, and the sacrifice of Ismail is a major Muslim holiday. Observe the great throngs of believers bowing and chanting in unison and the message is clear - submission and obedience above all. Yes, God wants slaves.



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You need to lay off the dope.

You say god exists but it must be an alien that likes to control people. If a person questions god/alien, they don't go to heaven.

Then you pose the question about if those people lose their free will or not by going to heaven. You mention people are being lead to go to church. Lastly, you ask if this worries anyone like somehow we came to this same line of thought.....





spurgeonryan said:

If God does exist, would it not make sense he is some sort of Alien?

People who believe are easier to control. He does not want people who are always questioning to go to Heaven. 

When those of us who have blind faith go will we become some sort of slaves? Will our free will vanish?

Each week we are hearded like sheep into churches to chant his teachings. Does this not worry anyone?

1. 50/50 if there is a God.  If there is, then It would neither be alien or otherwise since it is God, creator of the rules.  He exist on both accounts alien or otherwise.

2. God is just God.  A role played because someone must play the role.  So, why would It care specifically if it goes in one direction or the other?  He doesn't need followers.  Thing will play as God will play them.  Imagine a God who is a silly god.  Someone who needs people to dress a certain way, act a certain way, then go through the motions of those customs set before from a book pretending to know what god is.  If you were to make your role of god, why care about anything?

3. When I die, my body may be gone, but consciousness, the essense of  a person, may still survive in some sort of capacity.  If perhaps our life had a ripple into the fabric of existence, then we may still have a place in the universe. Maybe more so than we'd ever expected.  What if death was a cracking of the shell and you exist in somewhere unbound.  No one knows what  after death is, why can't it be this way?

4. It is as importance and urgent as ending war and hunger.  But you know us citizens of the world.  We can never truly be appeased or compromised with.  There will always be a tip in the balance that have other at a disadvantage.  So you see that it is a never ending cycle of neglect on everyones part.  When after reading something like this and agreeing with the good of anything is.  Are you going to do something about it?  Or is this just a topic of interest.



spurgeonryan said:

If God does exist, would it not make sense he is some sort of Alien?

People who believe are easier to control. He does not want people who are always questioning to go to Heaven. 

When those of us who have blind faith go will we become some sort of slaves? Will our free will vanish?

Each week we are hearded like sheep into churches to chant his teachings. Does this not worry anyone?

Lol a Christian who doubt his own religion, i know now why so many Christian become atheist

I was a secular Muslim from my parent and become atheist and then reverted to  a true Muslim by doing some deep learning about my religion, and i found my own way and accepted not by just believing.

U should try to look another religion as comparison maybe you can learn or may strengthen your believe or maybe found another path or light.



McGilliguts said:
I actually think those are some good questions, whether or not one believes in god(s). The christian God is primarily concerned with obedience - eg the sacrifice of Isaac. He doesn't really give a shit about much else, no human achievement impresses him, not math science or art. Not even virtue matters according to most Christians. You might be virtuous, but if you don't accept Christ as your savior, then sorry but you're fucked. this attitude is even more pronounced in Islam, and the sacrifice of Ismail is a major Muslim holiday. Observe the great throngs of believers bowing and chanting in unison and the message is clear - submission and obedience above all. Yes, God wants slaves.


Virtue doesn't matter, because it's like cleaning clothes with dirty water. It will still be dirty. Tell me, would you forgive someone who raped your partner, killed her, and stole everything from her? Just because that someone was virtous? God might love, but Justice also needs to be done. 



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