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They probably will when they're on the brink of going out of business. Until then though they'll remain stubborn.



 

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DJEVOLVE said:
padib said:

Great as defined by critics and sales.

SFIV is a good example of a game that was not bleeding edge, and that saw healthy sales.

Most 3rd party games are not new anyways. Most are sequels to new IPs within a generation or from the previous.

COD

Assassin's Creed

Battlefield

Witcher

Far Cry

etc.


Gamestop made 3.5 BILLION LAST HOLIDAYS SEASON.  How much of that was used sales? 40% of that if I'm not mistaken, all not spent on new games, maybe older games that people haven't bought yet, however why buy new when you can save $5. So 1.4 BIllion dollars taken out of the market.  Nope that isn't cutting into sales at all. LOL

http://www.technobuffalo.com/2014/01/14/gamestop-made-3-15-billion-in-sales-during-2013s-holiday-period

Here is the thing thing though, in order for the used game market to be so inventory heavy, there has to be a lot of people trading games back in. Whose fault is that? Yeah gamestop has cornered the market and made a killing through some questionable practices, but there has to be a whole that let the fox into the hen house. So where was it?



Multishanks said:
WolfpackN64 said:
Third parties shouldn't expect handouts, the ones who work with Nintendo are quite happy (Platinum, Nordic)

Nordic games ?? Since when?


Whoopsie, my mistake, Valhalla/THQ



WolfpackN64 said:
Multishanks said:
WolfpackN64 said:
Third parties shouldn't expect handouts, the ones who work with Nintendo are quite happy (Platinum, Nordic)

Nordic games ?? Since when?


Whoopsie, my mistake, Valhalla/THQ

Ahh actually that mistake makes a lot of sense lol.



Nintendo could certainly benefit from a little more diversification in their library, either internally or being a little more third party friendly. However, I think the amount of effort required for them to get third party parity with Sony and MS, i.e. have a legitimate chance of being the console of choice for single console owners, would be completely counter productive. It would costs them money and would only serve to increase competition with their own franchises. I think they simply need to position their console as a no-brainer for the Nintendo fan and a easy/realistic option for those without allegiance and those looking for a second console.

Also we've seen even with the Wii, even when the install base was huge and development costs were still low, many developers found excuses not to put their best efforts forward and I think it's because many are intimidated by competing with the Nintendo software juggernaut on their own turf.



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DJEVOLVE said:
IamAwsome said:

Tagging for a reply in about 5 hours. 

Is there some revelation in 5 hours time?

No, I typed that while I was at work lol. 



ClassicGamingWizzz said:

 

And that is probably the biggest reason why they are selling bad, they only care about those super hardcore fans , if they want more people to jump on they need third party and for that they need a console that is as powerfull as the others because third party are not going to bother making a version to their underpowered console and fuck up their vision for the game. Maibe is already to late for that.

If they weren't porting those same games to last gen systems I might agree with you ... 



Of course it will not



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

outlawauron said:
ghost_of_fazz said:

You know why Nintendo consoles will never be Third Party-friendly?

Because Nintendo games are great. A bit too great, actually. Third parties don't want to have that kind of competition, because their games are not on that level of quality and polish.

Also, Nintendo games are a permanent competition because of their legs. They´re not like a Call of Duty or an Assassin's Creed, that sells a shitload when it's released and then it stops selling. They sell for years.

This is especially hilarious because COD and AC both have better legs than most Nintendo games.

 

Let's see some games that have some years on the market...

AC1 sold about 180,000 copies on it's 7th year. AC2 sold about 259,000 on it's 5th year. CoD4MW sold about 214,000 on it's 7th year. CoDMW2 sold about 322,824 on it's 5th year. All of them on two platforms with an install base of over 160,000,000 or so.

Pretty nice, huh?

Now let's check some Nintendo games with a similar amount of time on the market. First goes Super Smash Bros Brawl... 581,561 sold on it's 5th year and 368,495 sold on it's 6th year. Well, who would've thought that?

It's New Super Mario Bros' turn... 2,175,158 sold on it's 5th year and 564,615 sold on it's 7th year. Also, 228,323 sold on it's 8th year. Gulp.

Now Super Mario Galaxy... 782,439 sold on it's 5th year and 141,487 sold on it's 7th year. Pretty bad, eh.

Let's throw New Super Mario Bros Wii in there... 498,753 sold on it's 5th year. Not too shabby.

What about Mario Kart DS? 3,682,176 on it's 5th birthday and 759,556 on it's 7th. And 220,980 on it's 9th.

Heck, let's check Zelda Twilight Princess, considering Zelda games are not as 'heavy hitters' as those other games... 504,067 on it's 5th year and 212,800 on it's 7th. Hmmm...

Let's check CoDMW3... About 580,000 sold on both platforms on it's 3rd birthday, for a whoping total of 28,000,000 units sold. Surely there's not Nintendo game that can top that!... Unless it's the favourite of the Hardcore Gamer Master Race, Wii Fit Plus, with 1,014,106 sold on it's 3rd birthday.

Now Mario Kart Wii... 1,173,122 sold on it's 5th year. Well yep, I guess I was wrong. And on a more serious note, the only series that I think can compete with Nintendo games in the legs department is Grand Theft Auto.



Multishanks said:

I have been seeing a lot of wishful thinking about Nintendo's next hardware being third party friendly as some like to call it.

 

 

STOP DOING THIS TO YOURSELVES. They will never be that because their business model doesn't include that.

 

Even when they had the most successful consoles, some of which had plenty of third party games, they were NOT "third party friendly". Examples in clude the NES, SNES and Wii. 

 

From what Nintendo has stated recently that is not going to change. Miyamoto recently revealed that Nintendo's internal studios, remember this, have begun design work on the next hardware. Not too suprising really. However, a lot of people are feeling that this will be "third party friendly" due to unconfirmed rumours. 

 

You know what is confirmed? That Nintendo will be consulting their own internal studios and not third party publishers. So stop doing this to yourselves. Just wait to see what it turns out to ve and judge accordingly.

Miyamoto saying that they started work on their next console means nothing. Sony and MS have also started by now. 

They absolutely DO consult third parties on the designs of their consoles. They didn't get the power right, but it doesn't mean that they don't listen. Source What they don't do is pay for marketing, and bribe for content like Sony/MS, though they did that in the past. 

What is your definition of "third party friendly", because when they unveiled the Wii U, there was a LOT of praise, a LOT of it; even from developers that haven't worked with Nintendo a lot in the past like Crytek, Epic Games, and Irrational. What happened between E3 2011 and Nov. 2012? Is it Iwata's fault that most of them bailed before the console even launched? They sure as heck sounded like they were satisfied at E3.   If third parties hated the Wii U, then why did they all smile and put on a facade for fanboys? In '06 before the Wii launched, several developers called it a "GCN 1.5". That didn't happen with the Wii U. I don't know if it's poor communication or what, but if they don't like something, then they should be upfront about it. It's not like Nintendo can't improve as well (online, eShop restrictions, specs), but I don't see the logic in completely placing them at fault here. 

As for the future, the Wii U will be a bitter pill to swallow. Believe me, they definitely WANT third party support, but whether or not they actually get it remains to be seen.