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Your Thoughts?

It is an act of war and s... 3 21.43%
 
It was simply vandalism. ... 0 0%
 
It was a rogue group not ... 4 28.57%
 
Sony should not be the co... 4 28.57%
 
Sabotage their hacking ab... 0 0%
 
Hack back until we reach a compromise. 3 21.43%
 
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For decades, North Korea has harmed the citizens of its country and imprisoned people for their beliefs and ideologies, including foreigners coming in for missionary/reporting work. Countless people have been killed with the reason being utter nonsense almost all the time. It is a horrible place to live (is ranked the #1 worst place to live for Christians in the world according to at least one human rights violater tracker), the citizens are brainwashed into thinking their current Kim leader is a god (just like they were to the prior ones), and even the citizens not stuck in concentration camps are suffering in almost incomprehensible conditions for an 'industrialized' country. What is going on in North Korea is, and has been, horrible, but it apparently is not the business of the west (due to it being mostly an internal affair).

Now, they have damaged something of the west. Attacking Sony the way they did was a "manifestation of a new form of warfare when you destroy economies, when you are able to impose censorship," McCain, a Republican from Arizona, said. "It's more than vandalism. It's a new form of warfare that we're involved in and we need to react and we need to react vigorously."

I'm not going to express my personal thought in this discussion opener, but I'm just curious what everyone here's thoughts are. I mean this to be a serious discussion and not one filled with trolls. How bad is this situation and what should the West do in response?



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I personally think we live in a fear society, and that my take on it. I am part of that, I rather not travel to the States unless I don't have to due to the color of my skin and what I imagine people assume my religion is. (I do travel to the Boston here and there)

Are my fears possibly unrealistic? Yes, but hey I heard enough horror stories.

So I imagine that it is more of better be safe than sorry. Rather fear the possibility of threat than the actuality of threat. 

 

(Unless you are just talking about the first event itself and not the by product of the event.)



 

I think this is a matter between a company and an attacker that may or may not be affiliated with a state. This is a simple crime between two groups and no state affair.
Saying this is similar to a war between two countries is giving it too much credit.

That's like saying me going to Poland on a killing spree is somehow another invasion by Germany.



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This is in the Nintedo discussion because.....?



>Nintendo discussion.



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Woops sorry for the Nintendo discussion part! I'm so used to almost all my topics being there that I guess I subconsciously did that... sorry!



While I don't think this is entirely relevant to the OP, I'm going to say it anyway...
I don't understand all the people saying North Korea has won...
Sure, Sony pulled the movie...
But North Korea still has extreme poverty, rampant starvation, and five percent of the population has TB at any time...
It really seems as though certain parts of the American public have forgotten about the Islamic State long enough to find a new not entirely rational fear...
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I do have to wonder what would happen if the shoe were on the other foot, if you had a high-profile, say, Chinese film about assassinating Obama, and have the film portray Obama as a complete joke.

Aside from the fact that every Fox News viewer would buy two copies of the collector's edition Blu-Ray, what would America do in response to the film company? We're not talking about merely lampooning a foreign leader, we're talking about making a comedy movie about assassinating a foreign leader. In diplomatic circles this sort of thing is beyond the pale on Sony's part.

That said, the appropriate response to such things in diplomatic circles is a strongly worded letter. However, given all the bridges they've burned with basically everyone (only a few timbers hold the metaphorical bridge even to China now), this is what North Korea has to resort to in order to make sure they're heard.

That leads the valid counterpoint that if a country has lost so much respect, and deservedly so, do they deserve the respect that other states would get in terms of not making a movie about assassinating their leader by name?

As for the outcomes, it's a mixed bag. Two wrongs don't necessarily make a right, but at the same time it's an ill wind that brings no good to anyone: the unearthing of Hollywood's secret Project Goliath, their attempt to revive SOPA via back-door deals at the state level, as well as a few other indiscretions in the organization, is certainly worthwhile, even if it in no way justifies North Korea's hack itself.

As for a response, it is a good "dry run" of sorts for this sort of thing, ultimately the target was not that big of a deal (unlike if they had attacked sensitive government databases or something), but it gives America a chance to have a dialogue about what appropriate responses to a major, nation-based cyberattack are. It hardly seems right to trade bombs for viruses, but then what can you do to retaliate proportionally? Not like North Korea has anything worth hacking.



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Mr Khan said:
I do have to wonder what would happen if the shoe were on the other foot, if you had a high-profile, say, Chinese film about assassinating Obama, and have the film portray Obama as a complete joke.

Aside from the fact that every Fox News viewer would buy two copies of the collector's edition Blu-Ray, what would America do in response to the film company? We're not talking about merely lampooning a foreign leader, we're talking about making a comedy movie about assassinating a foreign leader. In diplomatic circles this sort of thing is beyond the pale on Sony's part.

That said, the appropriate response to such things in diplomatic circles is a strongly worded letter. However, given all the bridges they've burned with basically everyone (only a few timbers hold the metaphorical bridge even to China now), this is what North Korea has to resort to in order to make sure they're heard.

That leads the valid counterpoint that if a country has lost so much respect, and deservedly so, do they deserve the respect that other states would get in terms of not making a movie about assassinating their leader by name?

As for the outcomes, it's a mixed bag. Two wrongs don't necessarily make a right, but at the same time it's an ill wind that brings no good to anyone: the unearthing of Hollywood's secret Project Goliath, their attempt to revive SOPA via back-door deals at the state level, as well as a few other indiscretions in the organization, is certainly worthwhile, even if it in no way justifies North Korea's hack itself.

As for a response, it is a good "dry run" of sorts for this sort of thing, ultimately the target was not that big of a deal (unlike if they had attacked sensitive government databases or something), but it gives America a chance to have a dialogue about what appropriate responses to a major, nation-based cyberattack are. It hardly seems right to trade bombs for viruses, but then what can you do to retaliate proportionally? Not like North Korea has anything worth hacking.


1) I do not support the killing of people (my faith makes me desire for all to be saved and if someone is assassinated before their life turns around and they find Christ then that is nothing but sadness). I say this before I move on to my next points...

2) The difference between President Obama and Kim Jung Un (I can't believe I even have to say this...) is that only ONE of them starves his own people, murders hundreds/thousands of people on a random basis and claims it is because of "trying to overthrow the government" nonsense, puts hundreds of thousands of people in concentration camps filled with hard labor, tortue, and death based on their faith (especially Christians, number wise), and threatens to nuke the south and any allies of us Western Pigs. President Obama is not comparable to a dictator that massacres people. I in NO way support President Obama; I hate practically everything he has done to the United States but he is not even close to being comparable to the Kim dynasty. If someone made a movie about assasinating President Obama, it would be a MUCH bigger deal than the one Sony made about North Korea, and justifiably so.

3) I believe North Korea has been quoted as saying this was only the beginning and that they would hack our more important things like the White House or Pentagon (I doubt they could, but a threat is a threat).

4) No, you don't bomb them simply because they hacked us. But something should be done, otherwise they will keep doing this. This has impacted our economy some now. Sony is one of the largest and most important companies in capitalism and if this were to bring there downfall (employees leaving due to the email leaks, personal information leaks, etc.) then that would greatly impact the U.S. and Japanese economies.



If it is an act of warfare, is it against Japan or the United States?



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