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How will this play out?

Sony will compete but MS will status quo 98 24.02%
 
MS will compete but Sony will status quo 21 5.15%
 
Both twins will compete 152 37.25%
 
Nintendo won't be hindered. 137 33.58%
 
Total:408
HollyGamer on 21 December 2014
padib said:

Ladies and gents.

This week it has been confirmed by intelligent guess that the customer to AMD's custom chip is Nintendo. Also in the same week it's been confirmed that Nintendo is currently working on software for the next generation of systems, including a next-gen Mario.

Last year when Nintendo revealed their strategy for a unified software library and API for the OSes spanned accross their hardware lines, I declared an early victory for Nintendo in gen 9. People ridiculed the pre-emptive prediction and called me crazy, but the writing is already on the wall. In 2016, Nintendo will be releasing the successor to both the 3DS and WiiU, the first of a line of hardware that will play a shared library of games.

Nintendo will be able to focus all its development effort on that one single library. They will have a variety of devices that will all play the same content. Portables, tablets, home consoles, hybrids, you name it. This will be a huge gamechanger. The question that beckons is, how will Sony and MS react?

While Nintendo steals the home console show by basically translating its portable victory across all its devices, how will Sony and Microsoft be able to compete? Will they offer tablets, portables of their own, will they follow a unified library approach? How will they compete against Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Mario, Zelda, and a whole library of smash-hitters combined? The 3DS gave no chance to the Vita to survive, but 3rd parties in the West have always given advantage to non-Nintendo consoles. How will this play out?

Will Sony and MS continue to compete to attrition, with MS undoubtedly ready to rebound from its flagrant mistakes in gen 8 as Sony did from its failures in gen 7? Or will Nintendo force their hands to compete with them in their home court, at last?

Post your thoughts below.

Not that fast, 2016 is likely impossible. If it comes on 2016 the system will not that powerful  maybe less then Wii U capability on graphic if they want to released a fusion of tablet and a console.

My prediction will be on 2018 or 2017, with that time frame they will able to create a powerful tablet as powerful as Xbox one or less with small form factor and large battery inside of it.



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Aeolus451 on 21 December 2014
zorg1000 said:
Aeolus451 said:
zorg1000 said:

No its not that simple. $50 price cut along with a few adult games won't do much for Wii U. I find it very odd anyone actually believes such a simple strategy would turn things around.


Why not? How is it not that simple? Nintendo hasn't tried anything like that yet and they just keep pumping out the kid games but it's still selling like crap. Hmmm, I wonder why. It needs to show that it's taking adult gamers seriously then more adults would buy the console. How many marios can the consumer market take before it's utterly burnt out on it? It needs new IP's.

Well for one, Gamecube had a low price and a handful of good, exclusive adult games. Eternal Darkness, Resident Evil 0, Resident Evil 4 (time exclusive), Metal Gear Sold: The Twin Snakes, Metroid Prime, Metroid Prime 2, Tales of Symphonia. It also had a bunch of adult multiplats, Spinter Cell, Ghost Recon, Medal of Honor, Call of Duty, True Crime among others. It even had a $99.99 Resident Evil 4 bundle and the console could barely manage 20 million sales.

Despite popular belief, Wii U does actually have a decent amount of adult games. ZombiU, Ninja gaiden 3, Call of Duty: BO2, Call of Duty: Ghosts, Mass Effect 3, Assassin's Creed III, Assassin's Creed IV, Tekken Tag Tournament, The Walking Dead, Resident Evil Revelations, Splinter Cell: Blacklist, Bayonetta, Bayonetta 2, with Devil's Third and Xenoblade Chronicles X coming next year. So basically ur saying do a $50 price cut and sales will rejuvenate.

Also Mario doesn't even have nearly as many games on Wii U as previous Nintendo consoles did, Wii U might be the console with the smallest amount of Mario games ever. And Nintendo does invest in new ip, they make a handful of new ones on each device they release.

The gamecube was competing with the ps2 which had a lot more adult games and a ton of rpg's. So it had very little adult compared to the competition then. With the wii u, how many of those were from the older gen and how many of those were new IP? It needs at around 5 quality adult games (no old gen) at first with a $50 to 100 price cut to draw people. It needs more than a "few" new IP's. Mario and his pals will not draw the demographic of gamers i'm talking about. The core nintendo have already bought it so it needs more than it's typical franchises to bring in sales. A new console that early will only alienate it's current fanbase.



NintendoPie on 21 December 2014

My thoughts consist of, "Why do people keep insisting on this combined platform?"



TheGoldenBoy on 21 December 2014
mountaindewslave said:
TheGoldenBoy said:
Their next console is going to compete with the PS4 and XBO when they are hitting their strides. Also, I personally said that they'll release their next console in 2017. I just can't believe that in 2016 they'll announce and release their new consoles.

doubtful. you all seem unaware of how long a console is generally in development. the odds its ready by then is unlikely, especially if they're working on new chip technology with AMD right now

they are just working early for the successor for the Wii U, probably 2017 or 2018

Which is what I said. Although I forgot to add that 2017 is probably the earliest, could be longer.



ExplodingBlock on 21 December 2014

2016 seems way to early for releasing a new console, I think they should wait until late 2017 to release the unified console



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binary solo on 21 December 2014
padib said:
binary solo said:
Nintendo has firmly stuck itself in the past with its home consoles, if it releases a $299 platform in 2016 the console will be a hair more powerful than PS4bone, and it will be when PS4bone has a large install base, with an increasingly awesome game library. And in 2018/19 when Sony and MS release their next console the power difference will be like Wii vs PS360.

Gamers aren't going to flock to that console, just like they haven't flocked to any Nintendo console since N64, which means Nintendo would be once again trying to appeal to the vanishing casual audience, and of course the core Nintendo fanbase.

2016 is about right for Nintendo though. Their console cycles these last few generations are only good for 4 or 5 years, and since Wii U is looking to be the worst performer ever for Nintendo then a 4 year lifespan is probably right. It will be interesting to see how things go for Nintendo becoming more out of sync with the home console cycle. The one good thing about going AMD and being of similar power to PS4bone is it will be cheap as for 3rd parties to put their games on Nintendo which could be the main advantage to releasing a new console in 2016. at least until the next PS and Xb console comes.

It is not Nintendo that is stuck in the past, it is your thinking in the first two paragraphs, please let me explain why.

The next console we both foresee releasing in 2016 will neither be a handheld or a home console in the traditional sense of the term. It will simply be a first of many Nintendo "brother" devices which will all run largely the same software. So for Nintendo the arms race in hardware is over. They are gearing up to take it over with software. One, beefed-up, unified software library. They make the games on one console, they are playable on all. So your analysis based on "home console" or "handheld console" is just ineffective because it is based on a soon to be outdated paradigm.

@KLXVER. Just think ipad and iphone and it solves all your questions.

@Cheebee. Sweet. Given we're on the same page, how do you think Sony and MS will react?


Well if they stop selling home consoles and just sell a handheld that plugs into your Tv and can pair with a wireless controllers etc then they might be onto something.



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nanarchy on 21 December 2014

ALL console manufacturers are working on there next console, it takes years and years of research, development and testing before they come to market. I seriously doubt Nintendo will be targeting as early as 2016, it could well and truly sink them if they are as it will be right when the competitors are the strongest and they would be unlikely to have a significant enough price/hardware advantage to win gamers and 3rd party devs.



Captain_Tom on 21 December 2014

I mean the Wii U lost to the PS3 and 360 if you look at it, so I think the PS4 and X1 will be able to fend off the Wii 2 for the two years it takes to get the PS5 out in 2018...



zorg1000 on 22 December 2014
HollyGamer said:
padib said:

Ladies and gents.

This week it has been confirmed by intelligent guess that the customer to AMD's custom chip is Nintendo. Also in the same week it's been confirmed that Nintendo is currently working on software for the next generation of systems, including a next-gen Mario.

Last year when Nintendo revealed their strategy for a unified software library and API for the OSes spanned accross their hardware lines, I declared an early victory for Nintendo in gen 9. People ridiculed the pre-emptive prediction and called me crazy, but the writing is already on the wall. In 2016, Nintendo will be releasing the successor to both the 3DS and WiiU, the first of a line of hardware that will play a shared library of games.

Nintendo will be able to focus all its development effort on that one single library. They will have a variety of devices that will all play the same content. Portables, tablets, home consoles, hybrids, you name it. This will be a huge gamechanger. The question that beckons is, how will Sony and MS react?

While Nintendo steals the home console show by basically translating its portable victory across all its devices, how will Sony and Microsoft be able to compete? Will they offer tablets, portables of their own, will they follow a unified library approach? How will they compete against Pokemon, Animal Crossing, Mario, Zelda, and a whole library of smash-hitters combined? The 3DS gave no chance to the Vita to survive, but 3rd parties in the West have always given advantage to non-Nintendo consoles. How will this play out?

Will Sony and MS continue to compete to attrition, with MS undoubtedly ready to rebound from its flagrant mistakes in gen 8 as Sony did from its failures in gen 7? Or will Nintendo force their hands to compete with them in their home court, at last?

Post your thoughts below.

Not that fast, 2016 is likely impossible. If it comes on 2016 the system will not that powerful  maybe less then Wii U capability on graphic if they want to released a fusion of tablet and a console.

My prediction will be on 2018 or 2017, with that time frame they will able to create a powerful tablet as powerful as Xbox one or less with small form factor and large battery inside of it.


Power has never been a deciding factor when it comes to success/failure of Nintendo consoles. Nintendo has already pretty much confirmed that they will not be going for a single hybrid device, but rather multiple unified devices. This is up for interpretation but one possible scenario is having a seperate handheld and console with the same architecture, operating system, online infrastructure, account system, etc that share a single software library.

The handheld version could very likely be somewhere between Vita & Wii U in terms of power, similar to the way 3DS is somewhere between PSP & Wii. It could render Wii U like visuals on a small screen and lower resolution.

The console version would then be a slight upgrade over Wii U, similar to the jump from GC to Wii. Would play all the same games as the handheld but the extra power would allow u to play these games at a higher resolution.

Either of these devices could feasibly launch in 2016 at a price point of $199.



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bubblegamer on 22 December 2014

How has Nintendo been competing?