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Forums - Sales Discussion - Will Sony and MS have the courage to compete with Nintendo in 2016?

 

How will this play out?

Sony will compete but MS will status quo 98 24.02%
 
MS will compete but Sony will status quo 21 5.15%
 
Both twins will compete 152 37.25%
 
Nintendo won't be hindered. 137 33.58%
 
Total:408
Teeqoz on 21 December 2014
padib said:
Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

When did they say that their games will be the same? Their OS probably will be to make porting easier for third parties but I never recall that them saying that both systems will have the exact same games...

Jizz, how do the iphone and ipad compare? You remember that Iwata mentioned this right? That the next Nintendo systems will be like brothers?

The ipad and iphone share the same OS (with mild variations), and share mostly the same software due to a common software API. That's exactly what Nintendo said.

jigokutamago said:

Welp, more than 3.5 years is the same thing as 2 years at most now.

Your math is  wrong. Try to figure it out.

Teeqoz said:
Well, the PS4 will probably outsell the 3DS and the Wii U combined, so it won't help them really...

Also 2016? And you're assuming to much for anyone to take you seriously, basically nothing of what you posted has been confirmed, and any evidence for it is rather weak.


BUT, if all this turns true, neither MS nor Sony need to do anything to compete with Ninty. This system(s) will appeal to the same as all Ninty systems do; Ninty fans. And they'll also get the HH market, but that's decreasing by the second, and the combined HH sales this gen will be lucky to hit anything more than a third of what the DS+PSP did.

Look into the word synergy.


Some great synergy between the PS4 and the Vita. Also would you reply to the other things I pointed out?

 

Would also like to add, you can currently get alot of the same on both platforms already. You have MK7 on the 3DS, MK8 on the WiiU, you have SM3D land on the 3DS, SM3DW on the Wii U, SSB3DS on the 3DS, SSBU on the Wii U, you have New Super Mario Bros whatever on the 3DS, New Super Mario U on the Wii U, etc.



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KLXVER on 21 December 2014
padib said:
KLXVER said:
Even if Nintendo makes a console that can compete with the PS4 and XB1 in power, it wont help them much. Its not the power of the hardware that's stopping third parties from releasing their games on the WiiU and that wont change by releasing a more powerful system...

Nintendo should wait until 2017-2018, then release a cheap console that's about as powerful as a PS4. Make great games, improve their online service and the Virtual Console and continue the good relationship they have with indies. The big third party developer ship has sailed. Make games for the people who want them.

I never mentioned a more powerful console. I only mentioned a combined software library that includes pokemon, and that allows Nintendo to focus all their development attention one one sole library instead of fragmenting it.

This successor could be of any given hardware power it doesn't matter because the API would allow it to be scaled up in future devices which may be more powerful.


So games would just be released on one of the systems or...?



captain carot on 21 December 2014

Jokethread?
Sure, Nintendo will try to share OS and API of their new systems. And it might even be, that those AMD SoC's are for Nintendo. That's it.
I'd actually guess we'll see a 3DS successor in late 2016. That would actually be a perfect fit,3DS and N3DS is very much like DS and DSi.
But no Wii U successor before late 2017, more likely late 2018.

And of course Nintendo is thinking of the next home console, but in a more or less early stage. That is just how it works.



Remedy on 21 December 2014

That was a typo, right? Surely you meant to say "Will Nintendo be able to compete?"...right?



CavemanCavan on 21 December 2014

I don't think "courage" is the word they would be looking for.



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TheFallen on 21 December 2014

Why would they release early in 2016? To handicap themselves again against MS and Sony?



binary solo on 21 December 2014

Nintendo has firmly stuck itself in the past with its home consoles, if it releases a $299 platform in 2016 the console will be a hair more powerful than PS4bone, and it will be when PS4bone has a large install base, with an increasingly awesome game library. And in 2018/19 when Sony and MS release their next console the power difference will be like Wii vs PS360.

Gamers aren't going to flock to that console, just like they haven't flocked to any Nintendo console since N64, which means Nintendo would be once again trying to appeal to the vanishing casual audience, and of course the core Nintendo fanbase.

2016 is about right for Nintendo though. Their console cycles these last few generations are only good for 4 or 5 years, and since Wii U is looking to be the worst performer ever for Nintendo then a 4 year lifespan is probably right. It will be interesting to see how things go for Nintendo becoming more out of sync with the home console cycle. The one good thing about going AMD and being of similar power to PS4bone is it will be cheap as for 3rd parties to put their games on Nintendo which could be the main advantage to releasing a new console in 2016. at least until the next PS and Xb console comes.



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Cheebee on 21 December 2014

A Q4 launch for some sort of new Nintendo system really isn't so outlandish as some people here make it sound. By then. 3DS released early 2011. By the end of 2016 it'll be almost 6 years old. That's plenty, especially considering the system's sales will be down by a lot around that time. Sure the New 3DS will cause sales to pick up a bit next year, but not that much nor for that long. Remember, Q4 2016 is still 2 years from now, and sales for 3DS are already down significantly this year compared to before.

Wii U will be 4 years old by that time. That's on the short side for a gaming system's life cycle, but not outrageously so. On top of that, we all know Wii U's not doing so hot, and Nintendo could very easily decide it's time to phase it out after 4 years and plenty of games from their own studios.

Which brings me to the following point; both systems will have had iterations of pretty much all big Nintendo IPs, save the odd one here and there, 3DS especially.

It only makes sense for Nintendo to combine their efforts, time and money to cover one single system (or line of similar systems), instead of continuing to spend everything on an aging handheld that's most likely wound down almost entirely by then, and a home console that's definitely not even close to being as successful as they'd have liked it to be.

This all of course regardless of what their own hyped fans or rabid fans of competitors might think or wish.



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KLXVER on 21 December 2014
padib said:
KLXVER said:

So games would just be released on one of the systems or...?

Exactly, on one system, and then playable on all systems. Like the iphone/ipad apps. They would be developed to be playable on as many devices as possible thanks to an abstraction layer in the software.


Im not sure thats a good idea. If you need to buy a game for the console in order to play it on the handheld, then how would that work if youre on vacation and you only have your handheld with you?



KyleeStrutt on 21 December 2014

Sony & Microsoft will have the courage.
Nintendo will have the wisdom.
And PC will have the power.