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How will this play out?

Sony will compete but MS will status quo 98 24.02%
 
MS will compete but Sony will status quo 21 5.15%
 
Both twins will compete 152 37.25%
 
Nintendo won't be hindered. 137 33.58%
 
Total:408

2016 is too soon for a Wii U successor. We will see a new console in 2017 and a new handheld in 2016.
Sony and MS don't need to worry. Third party's will still not support the next console unless it sells very well.



    

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burninmylight said:
Aeolus451 said:
zorg1000 said:

No its not that simple. $50 price cut along with a few adult games won't do much for Wii U. I find it very odd anyone actually believes such a simple strategy would turn things around.


Why not? How is it not that simple? Nintendo hasn't tried anything like that yet and they just keep pumping out the kid games but it's still selling like crap. Hmmm, I wonder why. It needs to show that it's taking adult gamers seriously then more adults would buy the console. How many marios can the consumer market take before it's utterly burnt out on it? It needs new IP's.

 

 

 

Yeah, Nintendo is all Mario and rainbows.

Never said it was all mario and rainbows but I did say it was mostly mario and kid games. :D It still needs some more adult games. 



One and PS4 could need more family/Kid games. At least if you take care what your kids play.

Even though 'mature' fanboys might see that different, the business needs Nintendo as well as the others because they are the ones that put out a certain kind of quality games.
Doesn't mean only Nintendo makes quality stuff, that would be a blind fanboy opinion again.

 

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Lol is this a joke? Its Nintendo who needs to be worried, not Sony or MS. Even with a unified platform Nintendo can't imagine selling half the numbers of next PS and Xbox consoles.

I think you need to get a reality check, its obvious you're just posting what you wish to happen, not something that will actually happen.



Nintendo would never release their next gen console 4 years after the release of the last one, which is what you're suggesting if they release Nintendo Fusion or whatever it's going to be called at the end of 2016. As others have said New 3DS hasn't even launched in the west yet, a year and a few months shy of 2 years on the market was never going to be the lifespan of their most current handheld.

Most likely New 3DS was released to keep 3DS architecture on the market until it's time to launch this unified Handheld/Home console that has been rumored (assuming the rumors are true).

Another factor that disputes this assertion of a 2016 release is that some major Processor and Memory architectural changes will be occurring in 2016, which means that those developments need to filter down into manufacturing for costs to become reasonable to implement for the console market.
AMD will start to manufacture a new ARM CPU core (for the handheld) and they're also re-entering the multi-threaded CPU core market with their Zen line of processors.

There's also the advent of Universal Memory which will potentially go into production for the server market next year, but costs will be very high in the beginning, so a few years to reduce that would make all of this brand new technology much more affordable and that means Nintendo can still be the pioneers of all of this new tech in the home console and handheld markets.

By 2017-2018 cost of manufacturing will have come down.
Launching in 2016 is a mistake, makes no sense unless Nintendo wants to use archaic technology compared to what's going to be available to them a year or so later.

Another factor to consider is that Sony and Microsoft won't be launching until 2019 at the earliest, if Nintendo shares similar architecture to PS5 and XB2, as well as having comparable performance, which will be a huge improvement over PS4 and XB1 then they put themselves in a position to actually gain 3rd party support.

With fusion the handheld market may become a consideration to 3rd party publishers if porting to the handheld side is a none issue from a development point of view, because this unified API will just mean it's a part of building the Nintendo console version of those 3rd party games.

Nintendo may just hit the nail on it's head if they can wait and build Fusion as the first console platform to use Unified Memory, AMD Zen and their ARM K12 technology, along with the current GPU tech of the time.
Sony & Microsoft will use the technology a year later, so it makes sense for 3rd party to port across all platforms.


Nintendo would be fools to go with the older technology that would be available at production for launch in late 2016. 2016 makes no sense! Not from a launch schedule of past platforms point of view, on the handheld or home console markets and absolutely not when you look at the huge upgrades in technology that will potentially be available to any console platform holders a year later.

TBH keeping within a year of the launch schedules of Sony and Microsoft actually makes the most sense because it means costs will be that bit cheaper and Nintendo has always been about launching at an affordable price.

IMO 2018 would be the sweet spot for Nintendo, it gives Wii U 6 years on the market, New 3DS is seen as a slight evolution over 3DS, so 3 years on the market would be fine and then Nintendo launches with the new architecture to back the fusion home console.

All of these things just work so logically together, even if you take out the whole fusion handheld/home hybrid console aspect you still have the home console platform sharing similar architecture to what the next Sony and Microsoft platforms use and being different to the majority is what has caused the majority of issues with Nintendo getting support from 3rd party publishers.

A 2018 launch actually makes the most sense and it's Nintendo that actually needs to have the courage to compete, not Microsoft and especially not Sony that needs to worry about anything, especially when they can outsell Nintendo within a year of being on the market, when Nintendo has already had 2 years on them.
Nintendo needs to do whatever they can to get 3rd party support back, like it had in the SNES days.



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I gotta say happyd- padib, I'm agreeing with most people responding here: 2016 seems a little early. I'm more inclined to say 2017; by then PS4/X1 has been out for 4 years and their successors should be rolling out within a year or two then. Launching in 2016 means less power for Nintendo's next console compared to PS5 and Xbox...2?

Although, if Nintendo decides to launch two different consoles that plays the same games (just upscaling or downscaling them), THEN I could see the handheld version being released in 2016 and the home version in 2017. But if it's the same device, then it's a 2017 date



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GTAexpert said:
Lol is this a joke? Its Nintendo who needs to be worried, not Sony or MS. Even with a unified platform Nintendo can't imagine selling half the numbers of next PS and Xbox consoles.

I think you need to get a reality check, its obvious you're just posting what you wish to happen, not something that will actually happen.


Why wouldn't a unified platform be able to sell half of PS/XB consoles?

Week ending Dec 6

PS4-713k

XB1-513k

3DS-515k+Wii U-187k=702k

Year to date 2014

PS4-12.1 million

XB1-6.4 million

3DS-7.5m+Wii U-2.7m=10.2m

In the most recent week and 2014 totals, Nintendo's platforms combined have sold better than XB1 by a decent margin and are just slightly below PS4. Obviously going for a unified platform where the handheld & console share a library could see slightly lower hardware sales do to less incentive for consumers to own both but there will still be people who do. So let's drop it down a little and that still would put it smack dab in the middle of PS4/XB1.

At the correct price point with effective marketing and a strong software output, there is no reason to believe a unified platform from Nintendo couldn't sell competitively with PS/XB.



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JustBeingReal said:
Nintendo would never release their next gen console 4 years after the release of the last one, which is what you're suggesting if they release Nintendo Fusion or whatever it's going to be called at the end of 2016. As others have said New 3DS hasn't even launched in the west yet, a year and a few months shy of 2 years on the market was never going to be the lifespan of their most current handheld.

Most likely New 3DS was released to keep 3DS architecture on the market until it's time to launch this unified Handheld/Home console that has been rumored (assuming the rumors are true).

Another factor that disputes this assertion of a 2016 release is that some major Processor and Memory architectural changes will be occurring in 2016, which means that those developments need to filter down into manufacturing for costs to become reasonable to implement for the console market.
AMD will start to manufacture a new ARM CPU core (for the handheld) and they're also re-entering the multi-threaded CPU core market with their Zen line of processors.

There's also the advent of Universal Memory which will potentially go into production for the server market next year, but costs will be very high in the beginning, so a few years to reduce that would make all of this brand new technology much more affordable and that means Nintendo can still be the pioneers of all of this new tech in the home console and handheld markets.

By 2017-2018 cost of manufacturing will have come down.
Launching in 2016 is a mistake, makes no sense unless Nintendo wants to use archaic technology compared to what's going to be available to them a year or so later.

Another factor to consider is that Sony and Microsoft won't be launching until 2019 at the earliest, if Nintendo shares similar architecture to PS5 and XB2, as well as having comparable performance, which will be a huge improvement over PS4 and XB1 then they put themselves in a position to actually gain 3rd party support.

With fusion the handheld market may become a consideration to 3rd party publishers if porting to the handheld side is a none issue from a development point of view, because this unified API will just mean it's a part of building the Nintendo console version of those 3rd party games.

Nintendo may just hit the nail on it's head if they can wait and build Fusion as the first console platform to use Unified Memory, AMD Zen and their ARM K12 technology, along with the current GPU tech of the time.
Sony & Microsoft will use the technology a year later, so it makes sense for 3rd party to port across all platforms.


Nintendo would be fools to go with the older technology that would be available at production for launch in late 2016. 2016 makes no sense! Not from a launch schedule of past platforms point of view, on the handheld or home console markets and absolutely not when you look at the huge upgrades in technology that will potentially be available to any console platform holders a year later.

TBH keeping within a year of the launch schedules of Sony and Microsoft actually makes the most sense because it means costs will be that bit cheaper and Nintendo has always been about launching at an affordable price.

IMO 2018 would be the sweet spot for Nintendo, it gives Wii U 6 years on the market, New 3DS is seen as a slight evolution over 3DS, so 3 years on the market would be fine and then Nintendo launches with the new architecture to back the fusion home console.

All of these things just work so logically together, even if you take out the whole fusion handheld/home hybrid console aspect you still have the home console platform sharing similar architecture to what the next Sony and Microsoft platforms use and being different to the majority is what has caused the majority of issues with Nintendo getting support from 3rd party publishers.

A 2018 launch actually makes the most sense and it's Nintendo that actually needs to have the courage to compete, not Microsoft and especially not Sony that needs to worry about anything, especially when they can outsell Nintendo within a year of being on the market, when Nintendo has already had 2 years on them.
Nintendo needs to do whatever they can to get 3rd party support back, like it had in the SNES days.

This is a great post! But I see two problems with it.

1) It's NINTENDO we're talking about here; they make plenty of stupid decisions and don't care about appeasing the 3rd parties, so going with older technology is something they might do, however stupid.

2) PS5 and XB....2??... to launch in 2019, at the EARLIEST? I'm not quite sure about that. We're already hearing rumblings about the tech being weak. I think we might be heading into a 5 year gen, like in ye olden days. PS4 and XB1 isn't that giant leap that PS360 were. I think that the new HW will launch in 2018/19



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zorg1000 said:
GTAexpert said:
Lol is this a joke? Its Nintendo who needs to be worried, not Sony or MS. Even with a unified platform Nintendo can't imagine selling half the numbers of next PS and Xbox consoles.

I think you need to get a reality check, its obvious you're just posting what you wish to happen, not something that will actually happen.


Why wouldn't a unified platform be able to sell half of PS/XB consoles?

Week ending Dec 6

PS4-713k

XB1-513k

3DS-515k+Wii U-187k=702k

Year to date 2014

PS4-12.1 million

XB1-6.4 million

3DS-7.5m+Wii U-2.7m=10.2m

In the most recent week and 2014 totals, Nintendo's platforms combined have sold better than XB1 by a decent margin and are just slightly below PS4. Obviously going for a unified platform where the handheld & console share a library could see slightly lower hardware sales do to less incentive for consumers to own both but there will still be people who do. So let's drop it down a little and that still would put it smack dab in the middle of PS4/XB1.

At the correct price point with effective marketing and a strong software output, there is no reason to believe a unified platform from Nintendo couldn't sell competitively with PS/XB.

But you gotta remember that that's a lot of cross buying; people that already own a Wii U is likely to also own a 3DS... I mena, a lot of thesales of the 3DS is due to people owning more than one of those...



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zorg1000 said:
GTAexpert said:
Lol is this a joke? Its Nintendo who needs to be worried, not Sony or MS. Even with a unified platform Nintendo can't imagine selling half the numbers of next PS and Xbox consoles.

I think you need to get a reality check, its obvious you're just posting what you wish to happen, not something that will actually happen.


Why wouldn't a unified platform be able to sell half of PS/XB consoles?

Week ending Dec 6

PS4-713k

XB1-513k

3DS-515k+Wii U-187k=702k

Year to date 2014

PS4-12.1 million

XB1-6.4 million

3DS-7.5m+Wii U-2.7m=10.2m

In the most recent week and 2014 totals, Nintendo's platforms combined have sold better than XB1 by a decent margin and are just slightly below PS4. Obviously going for a unified platform where the handheld & console share a library could see slightly lower hardware sales do to less incentive for consumers to own both but there will still be people who do. So let's drop it down a little and that still would put it smack dab in the middle of PS4/XB1.

At the correct price point with effective marketing and a strong software output, there is no reason to believe a unified platform from Nintendo couldn't sell competitively with PS/XB.

You're completely ignoring the price factor. 3DS is the biggest seller among the Nintendo hardware and its price is less than a third of the PS4. Even the Wii U is a lot cheaper than PS4 and XB1. If they are at the same price level which would happen for a competitive console next-gen PS and Xbox consoles would easily outsell them.

Not to mention that the library of PS4 and XB1 hasn't come on its own yet, and once they do both the consoles will sell a lot more.