Are you out of your mind? So, men should have no right over their child?

What you think I sound like is a construct of your own misreading. Child rearing and birth is the primary task of the mother, and she has the biological controls and there is not much that the man can or should be able to do about that. I haven't said anything contrary to that.

What you and DJEVOLVE are failing to understand is that there's more to being a parent than the first 9 months. And emotional pain over the course of 18 years is a lot more painful than the 10 hours of physical pain that labour endures. Very few mothers abort because they're scared of labour pains or breastfeeding, most mothers abort because they're scared of the emotional or financial commitment that childhood beholds for the next 18 years after that, if women have the ability to absolve that, they should not also have the ability to not allow the men to absolve that.

So you think just because you squirted a little goo into a woman, you now have complete control of her body and what she does with it?

It's her body, You gave away your goo, meaning, it is no longer yours. 

Let's not forget, maybe your genetics is not up to par for her desire, then shouldn't she be able to flush this out and start new?

The zygote in here body has everything to do with her decisions, it lives off of her, that zygote needs her body, not yours. You only provided the seed.

Meaning no matter how much I don't like it or you, IT IS UP TO HER. It's her body that provides the safe haven and if she does not want to provide that safe haven, it's up to her.

Rather you should think why she doesn't want to continue your genetic coding furthing into this world. Also you should ponder why you think you have the control? You don't and shouldn't.

Her body is the final answer, meaning what this zygote does or doesn't do with her body is completely up to her control.  Why would you think different? 

should we be mad about what happens to the sanitary napkin that is flushed after those wonderful moments  of self gradification? NO, so get off your hi horse.

Do some of these same guys that want to control woman cry after they masturbate? You would think so after the comments they leave. The woman you choose is the best option you get, if she doesn't want to continue your seed, then either you are not up to par or your choosing wasn't the best and better you try somewhere else.

Also this all has to do with her health, finances etc..

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Just wow.

Yea, Lets not forget by someone forcing her against her well to take the zygote to term, this action is also drastically changing her body, health and mind.  They are so many reasons why it has nothing to do with you until that child is born, however no need, I made my point.

Have a Merry Christmas.

Alright prove what you say is true and not what others think you are saying. Come up with a fairer law that has a control so as men can't simply walk out. If you say good morals are all that's needed don't even bother replying. 

I agree any father who pays support and is not unhealthy to be around for the child should be able to have visitation rights. Your assumptions of DJEVOLVE and I are way off base. We have not once mentioned that the first 9 months are all there is to being a parent. Only that that is something at this time is not part of the males responsibility and as such the laws reflect that.

Your point is so simplistic and basic that there is nothing to discuss here. You went on about wanting to have complete control over a woman when some people to have a child. On top of that you sound like a SJW.

DJEVOLVE completely thinks that he first 9 months (at most) is all there is to it - I sure you see that.

Here's my two cents on what you guys have to discussing about for the last couple of pages. Men should equal parenting rights to women and a say if a woman can abort his kid or give the kid up for adoption.