I was teasing.

Honestly there's pros and cons to both, I just reckon us guys should be allowed to choose for ourselves, that's all.

I don't think you've read the thread properly, nobody (as far as I can tell) has said anything about banning abortions.

I did and it's not your choice, even if you helped create it. Sorry, with out her body, you have no kid, meaning it's up to her.

Again, I haven't said anywhere that I want to ban abortions. I agree with the statement you are making.

You're telling me in your country men have to pay support for dead fetuses and pay foster parents but women don't. lol

On the work issue I am not talking about staying at home after birth. I am talking about late pregenecy term and then healing time. You think women should work until their water breaks, pop out a baby and go to work the next day?

I asked you to come up with a fairer law. This law seems to be trying to be fair as possible since women have to carry the birth. If men were told they can absolve themselves of responsibility what would stop them other then their own personal morals. Basicily you are advocating sexual intercourse to only  be risky to women and not men when it comes to pregnency. Already women have more fear of pregency then men. All you have is finiancial resposibility and nothing else, women have more then that. 

You said the guy should have equal rights on the issue, NO HE SHOULDN'T. I don't know how I have to say this for you to understand.

I said the guy should have the ability the absolve his legal and financial duties, as well as increased rights in cases of who takes custody in certain cases.

A woman needs a man to have a baby too. Science hasn't gotten that far, yet. Frankly, the otherside is true, due to technology the role of the woman as the barer of child has diminished - hell, we can inseminate her egg outside of the body and plant it in another woman. In that case, the mother STILL has all the legal privileges that you believe as justified because it's her body.

You do sound like you are advocating to be in more control over the situation of childbirth. Your attitude is like "Well, I didn't want it so good luck. I am outta here". Seriously DJEVOLVE is right, you want more control then you get pregnant instead. Then you can choose whatever you want to do.

The only think you wrote I agree with is the draft laws and those are stupid either way. Get rid of them entirely I say.

You guys are talking about the US, right?
I was actually surprised to here you guys still have the draft.

How am I advocating that at all? I have not said anywhere that women should not have the opportunities that they currently have? Women should maintain the ability to abort, maintain the ability to give the child up for adoption, and maintain safe haven laws.

@bolded, what you seem to be failing to understand is that under the current setup, women have choices in the matter, which they should do, but men don't. A moral and decent man will maintain the financial responsibility, but so long as a woman has the ability to absolve, so should the man.

Like I said, right now, I have a family member who's been point blank blocked from seeing the child, but is also being forced to pay for the kid. He'd pay anyway, but the point is the woman is able to use the kid as a weapon to get what she wants - emotionally, and financially. This is only possible because of the way the law is currently set up? You think that's fairer than giving the father the ability to absolve? It's sick, it's destroying my relative emotionally, and there is NOTHING that can be done about it. At least if the mother couldn't force him to pay, he'd at least have a bargaining chip in order to see his kid again.