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Forums - Politics Discussion - 5 Legal Rights Women Have That Men Don’t (primarily USA focused)

Nicklesbe said:
I'm sorry but this is a load of crap. None of these are actually true. Woman have been added to the draft since they were allowed to be full members of the military.

Nope. Women are exempted from registering with Selective Service.



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Nicklesbe said:
I'm sorry but this is a load of crap. None of these are actually true. Woman have been added to the draft since they were allowed to be full members of the military.

Men have just as much right and control over the life of a child as the woman. Granted the man can't exactly choose to have the child terminated early in birth because it is the woman's body, and the fetus is nothing more than a body part until it forms into a human. After birth however both parents have equal rights, at least here in Ohio and most places in the US. May be different some places in the south but for the most part its based on if both are legal age and finances and not gender. Take my cousin for example he just just turned 18 and his girlfriend was just about to turn 17 and got pregnant when they were both minors . His family was also considerably richer and when it came time to decide custody they did not even ask the mother, he got custody by default. There are also tons of examples of adult couples where men get custody and deciding power because the mother is deemed unfit. There are tons of examples of mothers abandoning the family/children and being forced to pay support and there are countless examples of father abandoning their family with absolutely no legal recourse taken against them. So that's complete bullshit. Much like the right to "rape" the fact that 2 mil men reported they were raped proves that men have just as much right to claim rape as woman. The only thing that statistic proves is that woman are raped a huge amount more which is accurate. This is some hilariously bad propaganda and general bullshit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_Service_System#Exemption_of_women

http://www.livestrong.com/article/144937-rights-of-unmarried-fathers-in-ohio/

https://www.google.com.hk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#sourceid=chrome-psyapi2&ie=UTF-8&q=america%20more%20men%20raped

I somewhat agree with you on circumcision, which is why I left it out.



badgenome said:
Nicklesbe said:
I'm sorry but this is a load of crap. None of these are actually true. Woman have been added to the draft since they were allowed to be full members of the military.

Nope. Women are exempted from registering with Selective Service.


No they arn't. in january 24 2013 steps started to add woman to to selective service. https://www.sss.gov/wmbkgr.htm NOTE:  On January 24, 2013, Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta announced the end of the direct ground combat exclusion rule for female service members, following a unanimous recommendation by the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Based on the American Forces Press Service’s news release, “Defense Department Expands Women’s Combat Role,” dated January 24, 2013, key statements are highlighted below:

The secretary announced that the service branches will continue to move forward with a plan to eliminate all unnecessary gender-based barriers to service. The change is intended to ensure that the best qualified and most capable service members, regardless of gender, are available to carry out the mission. Panetta added, “If members of our military can meet the qualifications for a job, then they should have the right to serve, regardless of creed, color, gender or sexual orientation.”

The secretary directed the military services to undertake an evaluation of all occupational performance standards to ensure they are up to date and gender-neutral. Specialty schools will be included in the evaluation, a senior defense official said. … the entire process is to be completed by January 1, 2016.

Once the policy is fully implemented, military occupations will be closed to women only by exception, and only if approved by the defense secretary, a senior defense official said.

 



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setsunatenshi said:

patriarchy?

Who do you think made these laws? Don't men make up 80% of US elected officials?



Nicklesbe said:

No they arn't. in january 24 2013 steps started to add woman to to selective service. https://www.sss.gov/wmbkgr.htm NOTE:  On January 24, 2013, Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta announced the end of the direct ground combat exclusion rule for female service members, following a unanimous recommendation by the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Based on the American Forces Press Service’s news release, “Defense Department Expands Women’s Combat Role,” dated January 24, 2013, key statements are highlighted below:

The secretary announced that the service branches will continue to move forward with a plan to eliminate all unnecessary gender-based barriers to service. The change is intended to ensure that the best qualified and most capable service members, regardless of gender, are available to carry out the mission. Panetta added, “If members of our military can meet the qualifications for a job, then they should have the right to serve, regardless of creed, color, gender or sexual orientation.”

The secretary directed the military services to undertake an evaluation of all occupational performance standards to ensure they are up to date and gender-neutral. Specialty schools will be included in the evaluation, a senior defense official said. … the entire process is to be completed by January 1, 2016.

Once the policy is fully implemented, military occupations will be closed to women only by exception, and only if approved by the defense secretary, a senior defense official said.

Did you read that before pasting it? That has nothing to do with Selective Service.



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pepharytheworm said:


If that was the case a lot of men would absolve themselves. Last time I checked, men aren't the ones who have to go to the hospital, men aren't the ones that have to stop working and men aren't the one whos dietary requirements went up. 

"Of all unintended pregnancies [in the USA], 4 in 10 are aborted" - http://www.operationrescue.org/about-abortion/abortions-in-america/

Looks like a lot of women absolve themselves already. This isn't counting those  who use safe haven laws or adoption.

But you're right, women do have to do those things, unless they absolve themselves. Men also have certain responsibilties when it comes to child-rearing, such as providing financial support, the difference is, there are NO means of absolving yourself legally, at least in many places.

The part I bolded is especially important, as you know, men can be the ones who stop working, there's no legal requirement or whatever that forces women to be the ones who stay home. Just because it's the cultural norm doesn't make it valid for your argument. Here in Hong Kong, actually, a far larger proportion of women return to work shortly after giving birth... this doesn't, in any way, change what should be the equal balance in legal abilty to absolve.

pepharytheworm said:

men don't have to continually support those children.


Actually, in many places, yes, they do. In my home country of the United Kingdom, if a man does not agree to voluntarily provide financial support for a child, the Government will forcefully take the income from the father and credit the mother.



badgenome said:
Nicklesbe said:

No they arn't. in january 24 2013 steps started to add woman to to selective service. https://www.sss.gov/wmbkgr.htm NOTE:  On January 24, 2013, Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta announced the end of the direct ground combat exclusion rule for female service members, following a unanimous recommendation by the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Based on the American Forces Press Service’s news release, “Defense Department Expands Women’s Combat Role,” dated January 24, 2013, key statements are highlighted below:

The secretary announced that the service branches will continue to move forward with a plan to eliminate all unnecessary gender-based barriers to service. The change is intended to ensure that the best qualified and most capable service members, regardless of gender, are available to carry out the mission. Panetta added, “If members of our military can meet the qualifications for a job, then they should have the right to serve, regardless of creed, color, gender or sexual orientation.”

The secretary directed the military services to undertake an evaluation of all occupational performance standards to ensure they are up to date and gender-neutral. Specialty schools will be included in the evaluation, a senior defense official said. … the entire process is to be completed by January 1, 2016.

Once the policy is fully implemented, military occupations will be closed to women only by exception, and only if approved by the defense secretary, a senior defense official said.

Did you read that before pasting it? That has nothing to do with Selective Service.

Yes I did. It has everything to do with selective service. Did you even read it? Its from the selective service gov. website...."to eliminate all unnecessary gender-based barriers to service" means woman will be added to the draft if the draft is ever removed from standby.



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pepharytheworm said:
SamuelRSmith said:
ganoncrotch said:

Very strange with the thoughts on abortion, while it's true that if the father wants to have the kid and the mom doesn't there is nothing in the law to stop her from just going and getting it terminated, if it was the other way around and the dad wanted the kid aborted against the mothers wises there would be outrage.

The argument isn't (or, hopefully not), that men should be allowed to force women into abortions, that's barbaric. But if women are allowed to absolve themselves from legal responsibility, then men should be able to, too (ie, not be considered the "father" anymore).


If that was the case a lot of men would absolve themselves. Last time I checked, men aren't the ones who have to go to the hospital, men aren't the ones that have to stop working and men aren't the one whos dietary requirements went up. I would be curious for you to come up with a law that would protect everyone in this situation in every possible manner.  You are already absolved of so much already. If you really want men to be able to walk away if they so desire then come up with a way that men can get pregnant instead. By the way women don't just absolve themselves from legal responsibility,  they absolve all those involved whether it be by abortion or adoption, men don't have to continually support those children.

I am not quite sure I understand your argument. The cost of going through with the pregnancy are high and if the man wants to be a part of the childs life should share the burden of these cost centainly. But I believe the comment you were responding to was referring to the father choosing to not be a part of the childs life by making it clear when an abortion can occur. In that event the father should be responsible for part of the cost of an abortion but not forced into an eighteen year commitment to have a child for a night of sex.

Also giving men the ability to become pregnant would not solve the problem without chaing the law, as their would now be women forced into eighteen year commitments to children they did not wish to have.

And while women also absolve men of responsibility with an abortion that may not have been their desired choice as they may have been willing to care for the child.



This is the Game of Thrones

Where you either win

or you DIE

I feel really sorry for men who have been genitally mutilated. They will not be able to enjoy sex correctly, and will suffer from impotence after a time due to the lack of feeling. I can understand why some porn stars do it because they need to last extremely long periods of time, and the lack of sexual pleasure will help that.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

pepharytheworm said:

Who do you think made these laws? Don't men make up 80% of US elected officials?

In the United States, women are almost 51% of the population (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.html), and they get to vote without agreeing to be put in the draft.

In fact, historically, women have a voter turnout roughly 4 points higher than men. http://www.cawp.rutgers.edu/fast_facts/voters/documents/genderdiff.pdf

If women wanted to elect more women into office, they certainly have the numbers to do it. Turns out they don't need to, as male politicians have historically proven to be very beneficial to women already.

Public choice theory, read up on it.