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Forums - Sales Discussion - Global Hardware Up 6 December 2014

VXIII said:
Europe in a goldmine for Sony, much bigger than NA now. Really impressive.

They could try harder in NA though.  Why not dominate both?




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On Nintendo going 3rd party... I don't want them to go 3rd but what would prevent them to make their on controller to some special games or as an alternative???

Ninty maybe would sell more SW by having more consoles available to sell... or would sell less by losing image and exclusivity, we will never now... but saying they would lose control over their IP or publishing rights is silly as Sony/MS don't order 3rd parties on what they must make or publish all the games.



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Hiku said:

Expected drop for the X1 sales, as the initial frenzy of the price cut settles down a bit, and BF is over. But it's still selling quite well. As is the PS4.

The Wii U's sales are a shame to see. But I understand why they betted on Smash being more of a system seller. But it turns out it wasn't.
Either most Smash fans already bought it when MK8 came out, or they're waiting for a price drop/Smash bundle like me.

PS4 Europe numbers are really really impressive though. Even without a big price cut + a bunch of free games, etc.
EU looks almost as big of a market as North America for this gen.

PS4, XB1, WiiU, & 3DS sales this week:

NA: 777,193
EU: 744,468

Only a 33k difference.
If the PS4 had a similar price cut in EU as the one XB1 is having in US, you can bet that the EU numbers would be a lot higher than the NA numbers.

wii u is a little undertracked this week since it did 21k in france that week so it techically did over 190k but hey Im nitpickyy :P

xbox one will continue to drop due to us biggest shopping day being over and eu wont go up that much

3ds and ps4 will go up quite a bit though



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platformmaster918 said:
VXIII said:
Europe in a goldmine for Sony, much bigger than NA now. Really impressive.

They could try harder in NA though.  Why not dominate both?

Probably to maximize the profit margin. Sony is going through hard times at the moment.



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DonFerrari said:
On Nintendo going 3rd party... I don't want them to go 3rd but what would prevent them to make their on controller to some special games or as an alternative???

Ninty maybe would sell more SW by having more consoles available to sell... or would sell less by losing image and exclusivity, we will never now... but saying they would lose control over their IP or publishing rights is silly as Sony/MS don't order 3rd parties on what they must make or publish all the games.


More consoles to sell to doesn't necessarily mean more software sales for Nintendo's ip. If u compare N64/GC to Wii for many of Nintendo's ip, the sales are fairly similar. This is of course excluding the Wii series but we can safely say those won't sell very well on PS4/XB1.

Mario 64 & Mario Galaxy had very similar sales, same goes for Mario Sunshine vs Galaxy 2, Ocarina of Time vs Twilight Princess, Majora's Mask vs Skyward Sword, Donkey Kong 64 vs DKC Returns, Kirby 64 vs Return to Dreamland, Paper Mario TTYD vs Super Paper Mario, Battalion Wars vs Battalion Wars 2, Fire Emblem PoR vs Fire Emblem RD, Pokemon Colosseum vs Pokemon Battle Revolution, Mario sports titles sold about the same on Wii and GC, Metroid Prime/Prime 2 vs Prime 3/Other M, Animal Crossing vs Animal Crossing City Folk.

The only games to sell substantially better were games that focused on simultaneous, 4-player local multiplayer. Mario Kart & 2D Mario had extremely strong sales and Mario Party & Smash Bros sold much better than N64/GC versions. There is no guarantee that releasing games on Playstation/Xbox will increase software sales by a considerable margin. Even if they did sell better, it would need to be enough to counter the royalty fees they would have to pay to Sony/Microsoft and the royalty fees they would lose from 3rd parties, along with revenue earned from hardware sales and accessory sales.

So perhaps it would work out for Nintendo but it seems far too risky right now, considering that they are starting to post profits again. Yes they made some mistakes that caused them to lose money for a few years (3DS launch price too high which led to massive price cut, selling Wii U at a high price along with selling at a loss) but as long as they sell their hardware at a more reasonable price right off the bat while making a small profit on each unit sold then they shouldn't face the same problem. Also things like Amiibo & Quality of Life can be successful investments for them that bring in some extra profits for the company.



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VXIII said:
platformmaster918 said:
VXIII said:
Europe in a goldmine for Sony, much bigger than NA now. Really impressive.

They could try harder in NA though.  Why not dominate both?

Probably to maximize the profit margin. Sony is going through hard times at the moment.


Yeah in fact, nobody talks about it but Sony is going to lose 2.1 billions this year, and on December 2013 their probability to go bankrupt by December 2015 was a 78.5%, against the 22% of Nintendo and the 1.4% of Microsoft, so ps4 is the winner of the generation yeah, but Sony is being the big loser by far.



Goodnightmoon said:


Yeah in fact, nobody talks about it but Sony is going to lose 2.1 billions this year, and on December 2013 their probability to go bankrupt by December 2015 was a 78.5%, against the 22% of Nintendo and the 1.4% of Microsoft, so ps4 is the winner of the generation yeah, but Sony is being the big loser by far.

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GribbleGrunger said:
Goodnightmoon said:


Yeah in fact, nobody talks about it but Sony is going to lose 2.1 billions this year, and on December 2013 their probability to go bankrupt by December 2015 was a 78.5%, against the 22% of Nintendo and the 1.4% of Microsoft, so ps4 is the winner of the generation yeah, but Sony is being the big loser by far.

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Goodnightmoon said:


Yeah in fact, nobody talks about it but Sony is going to lose 2.1 billions this year, and on December 2013 their probability to go bankrupt by December 2015 was a 78.5%, against the 22% of Nintendo and the 1.4% of Microsoft, so ps4 is the winner of the generation yeah, but Sony is being the big loser by far.


There is a lot that can be done before a company go bankrupt. The majority of loss came from Sony Mobile division as a goodwill payment to ensure and improved the mobile business. They are trying new strategy that focuses on profit rather than the market share of smartphones. If that doesn't work they gonna have to let go on mobile business I guess. While these are hard times indeed, there is no need to make things look much worse than they are.