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Forums - Sales Discussion - Market Share: PS4 vs. XB1 - Dec 6

LordLichtenstein on 16 December 2014
Aura7541 said:
Nice job, Lich. It's amazing how strong the ROW markets are for the PS4. I can't wait to see how the PS4 performs in 2015 with its diversity-rich upcoming library x3


Thanks :)

2015 will be monstrous year for PS4! Games games games games.

Ninsect said:
DanRybacki said:
Why do you insist on this smear campaign on Xbox? How many threads is this now? 
On topic, yes it is depressing that PS4 is getting so much market share. Hopefully this means that Sony gets arrogant and shoot themselves in the foot next gen.


smear campaign? Lol, come on now. You accuse him of that and then end with your hopes that Sony shoot themselves in the foot...


Thanks, Ninsect. :)


Ninsect said:
kowenicki said:

Then why are you surprised that a console could outsell another console in only two markets?  Whats incredible about that? 

 

I'd like to see XB1 in ROW outsell PS4 in US+UK . Now that would be incredible. He is talking about PS4 minus US+UK outselling XB1 totals


Bingo! Finally someone who gets it :D 


kitler53 said:

these graphs are clearly not anywhere on the site.  if they are link to the exact location and i'll eat my hat.  ..but as someone who keeps his own set of charts to offset vgchartz lack of ways to chart data i know they aren't on the site.  so seriously just stop the FUD and let the guy that clearly put a lot of work into a thread have his thing.


I'll eat it with you ;)

Thanks :)


BMaker11 said:
kowenicki said:

Then why are you surprised that a console could outsell another console in only two markets?  Whats incredible about that? 

He's not saying PS4 will outsell Xbone in two markets . He's saying that PS4s ROW (including Europe and Japan) will outsell Xbone, total, meaning US, UK, Japan, Europe, everywhere. PS4 (without factoring in the US and UK) will have outsold XBone's WW LTD. Take PS4s numbers, subtract US and UK, and it will still be higher than XBone's numbers, without subtracting anything from XBone, at some point in 2015. That's what the statement meant.

It's not that complicated.


Yeah, it really isn't :)

flint said:
Tagging, this is good stuff


Hope you'll like it :)

Ninsect said:
PS4 in ROW was probably above XB1 totals before the holidays. Should get back there after the holidays


Yeah, you are right. Hmm...just gave me a new idea for a chart :p

Aura7541 said:
kowenicki said:

Hey, I have no problem with it.  I was one of the first to start these kinds of thread.  Some of which were adopted as regular items on the site.  As you should know.

Im just puzzled by the isolation of UK and US v the whole rest of the market. 

I guess it just proves how massively important the US and UK are.  At last people agree.

Anyhow.  Carry on.  Im out of here.

You keep misunderstanding the point or you're intentially ignoring it. The fact that the graphs show that US and UK are important markets is true, but that was not the point. The main focus of this thread is how PS4's ROW sales are close to the X1's worldwide sales.


This and this 

BMaker11 said:

And then he spun it to Xbox's benefit, since the US and UK are the only markets it does well in. Sheeeeeesh.


That spin :p haha


Puppyroach said:
Did anyone really find your last thread upsetting? The whole premise of the thread was wrong and your own charts showed that you had no basis for your arguments other than to try and paint a bleak picture of the X1 performance. But few, if any, actually found that upsetting or even surprising.


You are absolutely right, and I am sorry for that.



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binary solo on 16 December 2014
zuvuyeay said:
yeah,kowens threads did turn into the official threads,they were good

i'm a bit tired of the US/UK split/fight too though doesn't really make sense seeing as the PS4 is leading in both markets

To be fair, us/UK split is only fairly recent, and it's because Xbone is only doing well in those markets. Last gen xb360 did reasonable numbers in other markets so the distinction is quite stark this time around. So in terms of tracking the health of xb one sales USA and UK are important to consider. 



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A_C_E on 16 December 2014
kowenicki said:

Hey, I have no problem with it.  I was one of the first to start these kinds of thread.  Some of which were adopted as regular items on the site.  As you should know.

Im just puzzled by the isolation of UK and US v the whole rest of the market. 

I guess it just proves how massively important the US and UK are.  At last people agree.

Anyhow.  Carry on.  Im out of here.

Well, after many people explained to you what the OP meant and clearly stated, instead of saying, "Oh, now I get what you meant, I just wasn't reading it properly" you say, " I'm outta here" so you don't have to admit the fact you misunderstood a clear message. Embarrassing really.

@OP - Nice charts and good information gathering. It looks like PS4 without the US+UK could overtake Xbox One's global total, should be interesting to see.



zuvuyeay on 16 December 2014
binary solo said:
zuvuyeay said:
yeah,kowens threads did turn into the official threads,they were good

i'm a bit tired of the US/UK split/fight too though doesn't really make sense seeing as the PS4 is leading in both markets

To be fair, us/UK split is only fairly recent, and it's because Xbone is only doing well in those markets. Last gen xb360 did reasonable numbers in other markets so the distinction is quite stark this time around. So in terms of tracking the health of xb one sales USA and UK are important to consider. 

feels like forever

but PS4 is doing well in those markets too,much better than the PS3



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Dr.Henry_Killinger on 16 December 2014

 

 

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LordLichtenstein on 16 December 2014
A_C_E said:
kowenicki said:

Hey, I have no problem with it.  I was one of the first to start these kinds of thread.  Some of which were adopted as regular items on the site.  As you should know.

Im just puzzled by the isolation of UK and US v the whole rest of the market. 

I guess it just proves how massively important the US and UK are.  At last people agree.

Anyhow.  Carry on.  Im out of here.

Well, after many people explained to you what the OP meant and clearly stated, instead of saying, "Oh, now I get what you meant, I just wasn't reading it properly" you say, " I'm outta here" so you don't have to admit the fact you misunderstood a clear message. Embarrassing really.

@OP - Nice charts and good information gathering. It looks like PS4 without the US+UK could overtake Xbox One's global total, should be interesting to see.


Thanks :D

Very interesting indeed.



Kerotan on 16 December 2014
Xenostar said:
kowenicki said:
Its showing now. Those last graphs (and actually all of the info here) is readily available on this site you know? I don't get it.


LInk to these graphs on this site then, oh you cant can you your just trying to downplay and derail the thread, hes presented information from this site in a way that is not currently shown, what is not to get. 

I findy Lordy's threads very informative. Saying the charts on here already is not relevant. It's like going in to the weekly WW chart discussion and saying the chats are alreafy on this site why are you posting in this thread so we can talk about them. So keep it up Lordy!



Intrinsic on 16 December 2014

lol at some of the comments in this thread.

Good work lich.... now make one of projected sales through 2016!!!!! should e fun using it as a reference point for sales going forward.



BMaker11 on 16 December 2014
DanRybacki said:
Why do you insist on this smear campaign on Xbox? How many threads is this now?
On topic, yes it is depressing that PS4 is getting so much market share. Hopefully this means that Sony gets arrogant and shoot themselves in the foot next gen.

TIL unbiased, unchoosing, factual numbers and data = smear campaign.

Is 2 + 2 = 4 a smear campaign against 5? 



LordLichtenstein on 16 December 2014
BMaker11 said:
DanRybacki said:
Why do you insist on this smear campaign on Xbox? How many threads is this now?
On topic, yes it is depressing that PS4 is getting so much market share. Hopefully this means that Sony gets arrogant and shoot themselves in the foot next gen.

TIL unbiased, unchoosing, factual numbers and data = smear campaign.

Is 2 + 2 = 4 a smear campaign against 5? 


Well, f*** me !