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jimmay said:

Nice to see you not showing your fanboy bias with retarded statements saying i get my information from ps3 forums...

Now is that opinion you posted about metroid prime 3 the common opinion or the minority opinion. Does 1 or 2 games that work well represent the majority of wii games or the minority? To turn from side to side in metroid prime 3 you have to move the cross hair to the side of the screen, it doesn't stay locked onto middle, with a normal controller you use the second stick to turn and the left stick keeps the crosshair were you want it, not off to the side. Hands down in a fps game dual anolog vs wiimote the dual anolg wins. For the wii remote to work in a shooter, the shooter has to be a slower paced game like resident evil 4. Now when the wii remote is better for more game than the dual anolog controller come back and tell me.

 

Ok, since you claimed that many of the reviews you read hinted that Wii controlls were worse than dual analogue controls please link to 1 review (from a reputable site) for either Metroid Prime 3 or Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition which states that the controlls were worse than the Gamecube versions.

 



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Gnizmo said:
jimmay said:

 


Who says the story would have to be shitty, why can't it be good, but then again i never said add a story to wii bowling i said add more features. Yes without question wii sports would be better with online, talking away my ability to play the game online only makes it worse, fact. As for adding real life bowlers, you don't have to use them, because you don't have to use them it's only an option arguing that less choice is better is retarded. And yes i constantly hear how retarded mii's look full stop, most of my friends complain because their arent enough options to customize their mii's.

I look at games the right way like all developers should and all reviewers do, i've said it a million times and i'll say it again taking away peoples options is bad, dumbing down games to suit people with bad taste is not a good thing, it's a bad thing. Party games are multiplayer games, the more ways you can play people the better.


Have you ever heard of a hypothetical example? I have had better arguements with Crazzyman. You keep asking the wrong question when looking at games. Rather than what I would like to have you need to ask what would make this game significantly better all things considered. Party games are not significantly imrpoved with online or leader boards. They are not significantly improved by single player stories. Lacking those does not hurt the games fun. They are clearly a blast to play despite lacking these features and that is not reflected in reviews of party games.


I'm not asking what i would like in the game, i'm stating what would make the game better to everybody. If you don't think in wii party games all the things i listed before wouldn't make them better then you have no clue what makes a good game.



HappySqurriel said:
jimmay said:

Nice to see you not showing your fanboy bias with retarded statements saying i get my information from ps3 forums...

Now is that opinion you posted about metroid prime 3 the common opinion or the minority opinion. Does 1 or 2 games that work well represent the majority of wii games or the minority? To turn from side to side in metroid prime 3 you have to move the cross hair to the side of the screen, it doesn't stay locked onto middle, with a normal controller you use the second stick to turn and the left stick keeps the crosshair were you want it, not off to the side. Hands down in a fps game dual anolog vs wiimote the dual anolg wins. For the wii remote to work in a shooter, the shooter has to be a slower paced game like resident evil 4. Now when the wii remote is better for more game than the dual anolog controller come back and tell me.

 

Ok, since you claimed that many of the reviews you read hinted that Wii controlls were worse than dual analogue controls please link to 1 review (from a reputable site) for either Metroid Prime 3 or Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition which states that the controlls were worse than the Gamecube versions.

 


I'm talking about wii games in general, those two games are two of the exceptions that improve things over the gamecubes controls. However neither of them are traditional fps games, nor do they prove that overall wii controls are better.



jimmay said:

I'm not asking what i would like in the game, i'm stating what would make the game better to everybody. If you don't think in wii party games all the things i listed before wouldn't make them better then you have no clue what makes a good game.


Online play in party games does not enhance the experience for me, and most ofmy friends agree. Your subjective opinion is not objective fact. Wrap your head around that and then re-read my posts.



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Gnizmo said:
jimmay said:
 

I'm not asking what i would like in the game, i'm stating what would make the game better to everybody. If you don't think in wii party games all the things i listed before wouldn't make them better then you have no clue what makes a good game.


Online play in party games does not enhance the experience for me, and most ofmy friends agree. Your subjective opinion is not objective fact. Wrap your head around that and then re-read my posts.


Please just wrap your head round this, just because you don't play online doesn't mean that millions of people don't, because some people play online and some don't should the game have online or no online. Only a moron would say the game should have no online, if you personally don't use it then why should the millions of people who do use it go without? What's so hard to understand that a feature you don't use is not a useless feature when it doesn't affect you and at the same time millions of other people have the option to use it. And seriously, you have the internet because you are posting here, you say you have friends, unless they have no online then online multiplayer will enhance your experence because without it you'd only be able to play them round your house.



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jimmay said:
HappySqurriel said:
jimmay said:

Nice to see you not showing your fanboy bias with retarded statements saying i get my information from ps3 forums...

Now is that opinion you posted about metroid prime 3 the common opinion or the minority opinion. Does 1 or 2 games that work well represent the majority of wii games or the minority? To turn from side to side in metroid prime 3 you have to move the cross hair to the side of the screen, it doesn't stay locked onto middle, with a normal controller you use the second stick to turn and the left stick keeps the crosshair were you want it, not off to the side. Hands down in a fps game dual anolog vs wiimote the dual anolg wins. For the wii remote to work in a shooter, the shooter has to be a slower paced game like resident evil 4. Now when the wii remote is better for more game than the dual anolog controller come back and tell me.

 

Ok, since you claimed that many of the reviews you read hinted that Wii controlls were worse than dual analogue controls please link to 1 review (from a reputable site) for either Metroid Prime 3 or Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition which states that the controlls were worse than the Gamecube versions.

 


I'm talking about wii games in general, those two games are two of the exceptions that improve things over the gamecubes controls. However neither of them are traditional fps games, nor do they prove that overall wii controls are better.


Ok ... I'll make it easier for you, find one review (from a reputable site) for any game on the Wii that has sold more than 500,000 copies where the reviewer claims that the Wii controls are dramatically worse than a standard controller.



jimmay said:

 


Please just wrap your head round this, just because you don't play online doesn't mean that millions of people don't, because some people play online and some don't should the game have online or no online. Only a moron would say the game should have no online, if you personally don't use it then why should the millions of people who do use it go without? What's so hard to understand that a feature you don't use is not a useless feature when it doesn't affect you and at the same time millions of other people have the option to use it. And seriously, you have the internet because you are posting here, you say you have friends, unless they have no online then online multiplayer will enhance your experence because without it you'd only be able to play them round your house.


The majority of people who own consoles do not play online. Millions may enjoy playing online, but more people do not play online at all and are happy. You know for someone who just got back from being banned for not reading what you are responding to you are incredibly dense. I have never said, nor even implied a lack of online is better than the presence of online. I have stated, and maintain, that online is not necessary for all games and never will be. No sane reviewer critisized Zelda for lack of online play, and that is the right way to do it. Not all games are enhanced by online. That is an objective fact.

And if you think online multiplayer is anywhere near the experience of having your friends over then I feel sorry for you. It is essentially the same thing as playing against dynamic AI as almost all the interpersonal contact is lost. Yes, with voice chat you can hear each other but that is not nearly as good. I can also play it with my friends who do not have the console/game I want to play and have people try the game out for the first time. The two are completely different experiences.



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HappySqurriel said:
jimmay said:
HappySqurriel said:
jimmay said:

Nice to see you not showing your fanboy bias with retarded statements saying i get my information from ps3 forums...

Now is that opinion you posted about metroid prime 3 the common opinion or the minority opinion. Does 1 or 2 games that work well represent the majority of wii games or the minority? To turn from side to side in metroid prime 3 you have to move the cross hair to the side of the screen, it doesn't stay locked onto middle, with a normal controller you use the second stick to turn and the left stick keeps the crosshair were you want it, not off to the side. Hands down in a fps game dual anolog vs wiimote the dual anolg wins. For the wii remote to work in a shooter, the shooter has to be a slower paced game like resident evil 4. Now when the wii remote is better for more game than the dual anolog controller come back and tell me.

 

Ok, since you claimed that many of the reviews you read hinted that Wii controlls were worse than dual analogue controls please link to 1 review (from a reputable site) for either Metroid Prime 3 or Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition which states that the controlls were worse than the Gamecube versions.

 


I'm talking about wii games in general, those two games are two of the exceptions that improve things over the gamecubes controls. However neither of them are traditional fps games, nor do they prove that overall wii controls are better.


Ok ... I'll make it easier for you, find one review (from a reputable site) for any game on the Wii that has sold more than 500,000 copies where the reviewer claims that the Wii controls are dramatically worse than a standard controller.


 http://uk.wii.ign.com/articles/746/746975p1.html

"The much bigger problem with the project, however, is that it utilizes the Wii remote and nunchuk but does not introduce control mechanics that feel in any way better than a dual-analog configuration. In fact, compared to a traditional console first-person shooter like TimeSplitters, Red Steel's controls are a positive step backward."



jimmay said:

Well for starters i do use all 3 control methods, so their's that point out of the way. It's a fact that the wii remote is not as accurate as a dual analog control scheme. The wii remote has more lag then the dual analog and to get any kind of accuracy you have to have completly steady hands, sit a certain distants away from the t.v., and because you have to hold the wii remote constantly at a screen it means your hand gets more fatigued than a normal controller. The keyboard and mouse has it's plus points but only the people who don't know what they are talking about claim their is a major difference between the two. Plus the keyboard and mouse is worse for playing more genres of games compared to a controller.

Resident evil 4's wii controls aren't significantly better, they are just a different take on the already top quality controls. How many reviews complained saying the gamecubes and ps2's controls were bad for that game? The answer is none.

You can play call of duty 4 online on the ps3 for free, lag is down to internet connection not because one person is using a pc and the other is using a console and on the console people play in their lounge or bedroom with a tv that is bigger and easier to see what's going on than the average computer monitor which much smaller.

Bad gameplay is bad gameplay, lack of features is lack of features, poor graphics and sound has nothing to do with having bad gameplay and lack of features. These wii games don't get bad reviews just because they are wii games or just because they are party/mini games, they get bad reviews because they have bad gameplay and lack of features.

And yes the pc is far too different compared to the 360 and ps3. To get a pc to play call of duty 4 in 1680X1050 at the same frame rate as the consoles you'd have to spend over $1000 if not $2000. A 360/ps3 costs from between $280-$500 and the wii is $250. Consoles cost in the same region, the pc doesn't. And stop with this fanboy talk it only makes you look like a fanboy.


My PC cost $600, and plays CoD4 on max.  Nice try.  You have no idea what you're talking about, and you clearly have little to no experience with any control scheme outside the consoles.  I'm not going to continue a discussion with a child who makes up facts to attack things he has no experience with.  



Gnizmo said:
jimmay said:

 


Please just wrap your head round this, just because you don't play online doesn't mean that millions of people don't, because some people play online and some don't should the game have online or no online. Only a moron would say the game should have no online, if you personally don't use it then why should the millions of people who do use it go without? What's so hard to understand that a feature you don't use is not a useless feature when it doesn't affect you and at the same time millions of other people have the option to use it. And seriously, you have the internet because you are posting here, you say you have friends, unless they have no online then online multiplayer will enhance your experence because without it you'd only be able to play them round your house.


The majority of people who own consoles do not play online. Millions may enjoy playing online, but more people do not play online at all and are happy. You know for someone who just got back from being banned for not reading what you are responding to you are incredibly dense. I have never said, nor even implied a lack of online is better than the presence of online. I have stated, and maintain, that online is not necessary for all games and never will be. No sane reviewer critisized Zelda for lack of online play, and that is the right way to do it. Not all games are enhanced by online. That is an objective fact.

And if you think online multiplayer is anywhere near the experience of having your friends over then I feel sorry for you. It is essentially the same thing as playing against dynamic AI as almost all the interpersonal contact is lost. Yes, with voice chat you can hear each other but that is not nearly as good. I can also play it with my friends who do not have the console/game I want to play and have people try the game out for the first time. The two are completely different experiences.


So you accept that having online as an option is better then no online, well that's a start. Party games are multiplayer player games first not single player games, so using zelda is a worthless example. Their is no reason why online shouldn't be added to all offline multiplayer games. The fact that millions of people play online makes the decision to not include online in any multiplayer game beyond stupid. I never said offline and online multiplayer is the same experence, that's just you argueing about nothing. Not everybody lives right next to their friends and can play multiplayer offline, not everybody has the time to go round somebodys house and might only have 20 minutes to play a quick online session. What happens if you want to play random people, do you just walk into the middle of town and shout out to everybody hey who wants to come back to my place for a game?? Yeah didn't think so. What if you want to play good players, or people of your own ability? It's unlikely that you and your friends will be perfectly matched, but by playing online you can find those players. And what if the game you like isn't popular in you area, if you only play offline then you'll have nobody to play.