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SpartenOmega117 said:

Often it seems like people get offended when the North American region is speicifically targeted by companies, users on this board, etc. as a reason for success. Recently, Microsoft lowered the price of the Xbox One in the U.S. to gain significant marketshare in the territory and it looks like they succeeded according to the latest NPD results. Of course people jump to the argument that US does not equal World as a way to downplay Microsoft's success.

The fact of the matter is that the United States, and NA in general, is the most important territory to have. The Xbox One, and to a slightly lesser extent the PS4, is built around services the consoles offer- netflix, xbox live, PS+, nfl network, etc. They really are media service boxes up to this point. And of course the big 3 all want to sell as much software as they can on their console. The United States has the largest market for the services these consoles have to offer. Americans love to spend money on games and these services. Internet is readily available so they are able to subscribe to services like Xbox live and PS+. Consoles by themselves don't actually make money. I doubt Sony is making much on the PS4 and Microsoft is losing money at this point on the console itself. But Microsoft knows it's important to have the market that will end up spending the most money on games and its online service. That's why they don't care if they end up selling less worldwide.

If the right market is captured, having 10 million consoles sold can be worth more than having 15 million consoles sold. Those 10 million users may end up spending more money on the said console than those 15 million users. We saw this with the Wii. It sold a massive amount but in the end market it captured did not end up spending money on it. Many services that these consoles offer are not even available outside of the United States. There is nothing wrong with focusing on a single region and making sure it absolutely succeeds in that region, especially when that region is the most spending-happy.

People like you make me ashamed to call myself an American.  Let me guess...you think that if it isn't done the "American way", then it is the wrong way.  Am I correct?  You are that type of person aren't you...?

News flash buddy.  People in other countries dont have hamsters running on hamster wheels to power their electricity.  Maybe you should step outside your country and go visit Europe to open your eyes a bit.  I think only then you will begin to realize that America isn't the best thing in the entire world.



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SpartenOmega117 said:

Often it seems like people get offended when the North American region is speicifically targeted by companies, users on this board, etc. as a reason for success. Recently, Microsoft lowered the price of the Xbox One in the U.S. to gain significant marketshare in the territory and it looks like they succeeded according to the latest NPD results. Of course people jump to the argument that US does not equal World as a way to downplay Microsoft's success.

The fact of the matter is that the United States, and NA in general, is the most important territory to have. The Xbox One, and to a slightly lesser extent the PS4, is built around services the consoles offer- netflix, xbox live, PS+, nfl network, etc. They really are media service boxes up to this point. And of course the big 3 all want to sell as much software as they can on their console. The United States has the largest market for the services these consoles have to offer. Americans love to spend money on games and these services. Internet is readily available so they are able to subscribe to services like Xbox live and PS+. Consoles by themselves don't actually make money. I doubt Sony is making much on the PS4 and Microsoft is losing money at this point on the console itself. But Microsoft knows it's important to have the market that will end up spending the most money on games and its online service. That's why they don't care if they end up selling less worldwide.

If the right market is captured, having 10 million consoles sold can be worth more than having 15 million consoles sold. Those 10 million users may end up spending more money on the said console than those 15 million users. We saw this with the Wii. It sold a massive amount but in the end market it captured did not end up spending money on it. Many services that these consoles offer are not even available outside of the United States. There is nothing wrong with focusing on a single region and making sure it absolutely succeeds in that region, especially when that region is the most spending-happy.

Do you think that the world outside of US doesn't have internet, or spend money on games?  US is like 9th or 10th country in internet speed.  VGC actually counts higher software attach rates in Europe than in US, so if anything a console sold in Europe is worth more than one in the US.

Before the price cuts, XB1 was $499 and while it had lower sales it clearly had better software attach rates than PS4.  Dedicated early adopters spend more.  By cutting the price as low as $279 to increase sales on Black Friday, MS is watering down it's userbase with Walmart shoppers that are on tighter budget, spend less money, and less dedicated than early adopters who are willing to spend $499 and $399 on a console.

You realize that the Wii sold the most to Americans right?



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This thread made me finally post instead of running silent..

You have to be pretty ignorant to open a thread with that position without really looking into some details, national preferences for example.
Let's take a look to europes single biggest market, actually germany. We prefer PC over consoles as for marketshare. Even in our nice little broadband internet development country. Sidenote that means pretty much digital sales vgc and other trackers don't get their noses on. That is actually just one of many minor points.
Then we have four big european economies, wich pay about half as much for gaming as the US. Missing out all the other smaller economies like BeNeLux, Austria etc. and actually a major one like Spain.

Then there's the entertainment stuff. That actually is a little difficult over here. Because there's a ton of national territories those distribution rights are sold to seperately. Still, we do have amazon instant video, now netflix and so on as well as nationwide streamingservices.
I mean it's not like you don't get spotify.
And yes, it works. Even over here, our good, old german Videothek (swounds much better than video rental store actuelly) is dying out. So yes, we pay for all that stuff and more important, this streamingmarket will definitely grow.

So, other markets are different. Especially the european as a whole with tons of national preferences. That doesn't make them less important. As for Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo, yes, the US is extremely important for MS, just because without good US sales, they would be dead in the water.

Good thing is, it's not only Americans that can be ignorant, one can find that pretty much everywhere.

Sorry for my english, i'm a bit out of training.



I wonder why the software/hardware ratio is higher in Europe than US. Could they be spending more money on their console?



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SpartenOmega117 said:

Often it seems like people get offended when the North American region is speicifically targeted by companies, users on this board, etc. as a reason for success. Recently, Microsoft lowered the price of the Xbox One in the U.S. to gain significant marketshare in the territory and it looks like they succeeded according to the latest NPD results. Of course people jump to the argument that US does not equal World as a way to downplay Microsoft's success.

The fact of the matter is that the United States, and NA in general, is the most important territory to have. The Xbox One, and to a slightly lesser extent the PS4, is built around services the consoles offer- netflix, xbox live, PS+, nfl network, etc. They really are media service boxes up to this point. And of course the big 3 all want to sell as much software as they can on their console. The United States has the largest market for the services these consoles have to offer. Americans love to spend money on games and these services. Internet is readily available so they are able to subscribe to services like Xbox live and PS+. Consoles by themselves don't actually make money. I doubt Sony is making much on the PS4 and Microsoft is losing money at this point on the console itself. But Microsoft knows it's important to have the market that will end up spending the most money on games and its online service. That's why they don't care if they end up selling less worldwide.

If the right market is captured, having 10 million consoles sold can be worth more than having 15 million consoles sold. Those 10 million users may end up spending more money on the said console than those 15 million users. We saw this with the Wii. It sold a massive amount but in the end market it captured did not end up spending money on it. Many services that these consoles offer are not even available outside of the United States. There is nothing wrong with focusing on a single region and making sure it absolutely succeeds in that region, especially when that region is the most spending-happy.

April fools!

 

Seriously though, I don't follow. The US is just like the EU. 50 states strapped together(instead of countries which can also be referred to as states), but it's an easier market due to one main language and less restrictions. Derp!......Yes, I said Derp! It's all so clear now. There is actually a world outside of the US? A massive world where people are even wealthier and healthier than in the US :O



captain carot said:
This thread made me finally post instead of running silent..

You have to be pretty ignorant to open a thread with that position without really looking into some details, national preferences for example.
Let's take a look to europes single biggest market, actually germany. We prefer PC over consoles as for marketshare. Even in our nice little broadband internet development country. Sidenote that means pretty much digital sales vgc and other trackers don't get their noses on. That is actually just one of many minor points.
Then we have four big european economies, wich pay about half as much for gaming as the US. Missing out all the other smaller economies like BeNeLux, Austria etc. and actually a major one like Spain.

Then there's the entertainment stuff. That actually is a little difficult over here. Because there's a ton of national territories those distribution rights are sold to seperately. Still, we do have amazon instant video, now netflix and so on as well as nationwide streamingservices.
I mean it's not like you don't get spotify.
And yes, it works. Even over here, our good, old german Videothek (swounds much better than video rental store actuelly) is dying out. So yes, we pay for all that stuff and more important, this streamingmarket will definitely grow.

So, other markets are different. Especially the european as a whole with tons of national preferences. That doesn't make them less important. As for Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo, yes, the US is extremely important for MS, just because without good US sales, they would be dead in the water.

Good thing is, it's not only Americans that can be ignorant, one can find that pretty much everywhere.

Sorry for my english, i'm a bit out of training.

Too many of my fellow Americans have only seen Europe in WWII films and view the rest of the world as places we bomb.



And Europes GDP is afaik slightly higher, so which region is more important?
That actually depends on how much you sell where.

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@Insidb:
How much europeans do you think know more of Murica than what you see in Movies and Serials?

Actually worked on a NATO Airbase when we still had our military duty, though just for eight month. There where pretty much and pretty different US- soldiers as well as civillians. And most of em wheren't really like that stuff you see in TV.



About what you'd expect from those who belive in this.



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