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Roronaa_chan said:
Imaginedvl said:

wow... way to lose a bet dude :)
You made a bet abount numbers on this site after all, so undertracked or overtracked, the numbers went below 180k this week on this very website. That's it, it is a lose, no need to attack the site or the individual because the numbers does not please you anymore.


http://n4g.com/news/1541560/vgchartz-global-weekly-chart-21st-june-2014 -> PS4 at 96k

Post adjustments: http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/41812/Global/ -> PS4 at 148k

Both numbers from the same website. He hasn't lost anything until enough time has passed. Same goes for bets in the opposite side.

Not changing a thing :) As of now, he lost.  If numbers get adjusted in the future, fine, he will certainly come back and dance about it.
Now, the way he is handling the lose is just plain bad, attacking ioi and discrediting the website... 

PS: Actually, it is kind of hilarious that he lost 3 weeks in 2015 only



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This could just be the lull following the holidays... Wouldn't be surprised if it picks up again fairly soon.



LordLichtenstein said:
Conegamer said:
Things have been getting a little "heated" in this thread. If you don't have any evidence to back up your argument, then please don't just claim "undertracked" or insult the site. If you do have evidence, then you're more than welcome to present it.


My evidence is Sony, what is ioi's?

Attacking io is not the way to go.. You should know that ioi numbers are estimates.

there was no need for that



Praise the One.

Give that Boi his L!



Imaginedvl said:
Roronaa_chan said:
Imaginedvl said:

wow... way to lose a bet dude :)
You made a bet abount numbers on this site after all, so undertracked or overtracked, the numbers went below 180k this week on this very website. That's it, it is a lose, no need to attack the site or the individual because the numbers does not please you anymore.


http://n4g.com/news/1541560/vgchartz-global-weekly-chart-21st-june-2014 -> PS4 at 96k

Post adjustments: http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/41812/Global/ -> PS4 at 148k

Both numbers from the same website. He hasn't lost anything until enough time has passed. Same goes for bets in the opposite side.

Not changing a thing :) As of now, he lost.  If numbers get adjusted in the future, fine, he will certainly come back and dance about it.
Now, the way he is handling the lose is just plain bad, attacking ioi and discrediting the website... 

PS: Actually, it is kind of hilarious that he lost 3 weeks in 2015 only


As of now, it is undecided. This weeks numbers will no doubt be adjusted up. When the numbers are definitive, you can say I lost, not a second before. The way I see it, you guys are jumping the gun. 

I have never been the dacing type, so don't worry. 

My "attack" has nothing to do with my bet. However, ioi is a "professional" analyst, he does this for a living. When he doesn't do his job, he can't just expect people not to comment on it? These "attacks" comes with the job, and I am sure he knows this by now.

On a side note. Does my words speak less truth, just because I made a bet?
I know his numbers are estimates, but there is absolutely nothing logical behind his decision to down adjust PS4's numbers last week, when we know for a fact, that PS4 sold OVER 18.5 million.

Sony > ioi



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Pavolink said:

So, already lost.



Not until adjustments



LordLichtenstein said:
Imaginedvl said:

Not changing a thing :) As of now, he lost.  If numbers get adjusted in the future, fine, he will certainly come back and dance about it.
Now, the way he is handling the lose is just plain bad, attacking ioi and discrediting the website... 

PS: Actually, it is kind of hilarious that he lost 3 weeks in 2015 only


As of now, it is undecided. This weeks numbers will no doubt be adjusted up. When the numbers are definitive, you can say I lost, not a second before. The way I see it, you guys are jumping the gun. 

I have never been the dacing type, so don't worry. 

My "attack" has nothing to do with my bet. However, ioi is a "professional" analyst, he does this for a living. When he doesn't do his job, he can't just expect people not to comment on it? These "attacks" comes with the job, and I am sure he knows this by now.

On a side note. Does my words speak less truth, just because I made a bet?
I know his numbers are estimates, but there is absolutely nothing logical behind his decision to down adjust PS4's numbers last week, when we know for a fact, that PS4 sold OVER 18.5 million.

Sony > ioi


ioi hadn't updated the site for weeks and has been really inactive for months.  I don't think he really cares that much.  And the site makes him enough money without putting in an effort.  If he cared about making more he could easily do so. He's lost his motivation by the looks of it so you probably shouldn't have a go at him. He could be depressed for all we know. And attacking him might make that worse. Just be glad we get numbers at all and then some adjustments down the line. 



LordLichtenstein said:

As of now, it is undecided. This weeks numbers will no doubt be adjusted up. When the numbers are definitive, you can say I lost, not a second before. The way I see it, you guys are jumping the gun. 

Please share with us this source that you know of that gives unarguable proof that the ps4 sold over 174k this week. I mean sure you might end up being correct but I really would like to know how there is no doubt this week's numbers specifically will be adjusted up.



enrageorange said:
LordLichtenstein said:

As of now, it is undecided. This weeks numbers will no doubt be adjusted up. When the numbers are definitive, you can say I lost, not a second before. The way I see it, you guys are jumping the gun. 

Please share with us this source that you know of that gives unarguable proof that the ps4 sold over 174k this week. I mean sure you might end up being correct but I really would like to know how there is no doubt this week's numbers specifically will be adjusted up.

Nobody has that proof, please share with us a source that confirms 174K sold (not this week, by the way, this is from week ending 19 days ago), as of Jan 10th.  Burden of proof resides with those making the claims, not with those questioning it.



SweetTalia said:
LordLichtenstein said:


My evidence is Sony, what is ioi's?

Attacking io is not the way to go.. You should know that ioi numbers are estimates.

there was no need for that

You'd probably be a little on edge if in the last couple hours about 30 people had told you in brilliant creativity "First full week of the year and you already lost, lol" in one way or another all based on these estimates.

With the current situation of vgchartz numbers there's a pretty decent chance that these numbers will be adjusted up in the next couple weeks, which would make all the people jumping the gun in here look pretty, well you can figure that out for yourself.

Just to give an idea where these numbers put the PS4 in comparison to the PS3 in the same week in 2008:

  PS3 PS4
US 50k 50k
Europe 83k 69k
WW 188k 174k

Tell me that that doesn't seem weird to you.