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Did sony do enough to win november NPD?

Nah 291 38.96%
 
Yes 130 17.40%
 
They can't lower their p... 242 32.40%
 
xbox one is the future of the USA. 82 10.98%
 
Total:745

No, they barely even tried. There were no big exclusives. I mean, of course there were some bundles but no price drops. Seems like they are more interested in profits right now.



    

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SweetTalia said:
Barkley said:
Drazgonow said:
Or maybe they went in to it thinking we got the whole world to stock not just murica.


M8, America is all that matters!!!!

Stop resisting and be humbled.

 

But yeah the ps4 is the fastest selling console of all time, why lower the price?

If x1 continue to outsell in the usa , they might need to drop the price

but it wont, so that doesn't matter. xb1 will win december too probably. But not the rest of next year. Remember, xb1 is still many hundred thousand behind in usa



mymuro said:
More like $ony's financial problems and Sony fanboys' arrogance. Would love to see their reactions next for December lol.


You mad bro? 



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PS4 is already selling like crazy. They probably relied on LBP3 which did not workout.

The bundles it had are last gen games and although much better ones. It could not stop the COD AW and also Unity bundle of Xbone.



 

theprof00 said:
SweetTalia said:
Barkley said:
Drazgonow said:
Or maybe they went in to it thinking we got the whole world to stock not just murica.


M8, America is all that matters!!!!

Stop resisting and be humbled.

 

But yeah the ps4 is the fastest selling console of all time, why lower the price?

If x1 continue to outsell in the usa , they might need to drop the price

but it wont, so that doesn't matter. xb1 will win december too probably. But not the rest of next year. Remember, xb1 is still many hundred thousand behind in usa

I cannot say if it will or won't but if MS has price advantage still, i would not count them out.



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I wouldn't say they were being arrogant, they were being conservative, to do what microsoft did would have cost them them 60 million if we are to believe the 1200k sold XB1 and closer to 120 million if you consider that microsoft was giving away free games with each bundle. Sony is not in a position to be slashing their profits



Hiku said:

Yeah, it would be pretty alarming to see Sony follow suit every time Microsoft makes a move. Because Microsoft did this because they felt they had to. Sony are not in that position yet. They're doing what they should be doing, and that's continuing to sell well, and make an impressive profit for their investors without devaluating their brand.

It'll be interesting to see what happens from January onwards, mainly for Xbox One's sales, when Microsoft will allegedly raise the price of the console again.

"Hence to fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting."

"And therefore those skilled in war bring the enemy to the field of battle and are not brought there by him."
- Sun Tzu


PS4 still remains as popular as ever, without following Microsoft's lead and devaluing their product.
So they learned something important here as well.
When people have seen Xbox One being sold for so little with all the free games + store promo cards, how will they react to buying it at full price in the following months? That's something that both MS and Sony will be interested in seeing, I'm sure.

It's quite possible that pushing the price back up will have a negative effect on sales.

Personally though I think the momentum will continue regardless of the price returning to normal.



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SweetTalia said:

I cannot say if it will or won't but if MS has price advantage still, i would not count them out.

The resoning comes from the november consumers. According to the poll that was done a little while back, a good majority of purchases were done by parents for their kids, while ps4 was mainly bought by adults for themselves.

Adults can buy consoles year round. Kids cannot.

You might have noticed over the years, but this is one of the main factors why nintendo systems are considered to be "holiday sellers", because even a great majority of them are purchased by parents. It also goes hand in hand with the average demographic. I believe nintendo was 8-13, ms was 11-17 and ps was 22-31 or something like that.

Additionally, it coincides with how in the past with 360 and ps3, 360 always won holidays but was outsold by a great margin during the year. It's the reason why ps3 was able to make such a comeback, despite being more expensive last gen as well.



PenguinZ said:
Microsoft can afford to absorb losses... Sony can't.

Silly argument that I see keep popping up. Do people really think that MS had a price drop to just chuck money away? No, they did it to make their install base bigger and therefore make more money on software sales  and live subs.

What Sony have to decide is that if they drop their price, how much would they need to so that profit from increased install base outweights the loss they would from profit from console pric drop. It seems that its not time for a price drop.

For MS a price drop is more beneficial and an easier decision to make.

This also has nothing to do with arrogance and anybody with a slight understanding of business can see why.



Shinobi-san said:
Hiku said:

Yeah, it would be pretty alarming to see Sony follow suit every time Microsoft makes a move. Because Microsoft did this because they felt they had to. Sony are not in that position yet. They're doing what they should be doing, and that's continuing to sell well, and make an impressive profit for their investors without devaluating their brand.

It'll be interesting to see what happens from January onwards, mainly for Xbox One's sales, when Microsoft will allegedly raise the price of the console again.

"Hence to fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting."

"And therefore those skilled in war bring the enemy to the field of battle and are not brought there by him."
- Sun Tzu


PS4 still remains as popular as ever, without following Microsoft's lead and devaluing their product.
So they learned something important here as well.
When people have seen Xbox One being sold for so little with all the free games + store promo cards, how will they react to buying it at full price in the following months? That's something that both MS and Sony will be interested in seeing, I'm sure.

It's quite possible that pushing the price back up will have a negative effect on sales.

Personally though I think the momentum will continue regardless of the price returning to normal.

Well I believe in pretty much every case of a price drop, the initial few weeks naturally sees the biggest impact, and the baseline naturally goes down a bit after that, even if it remains above the usual baseline. (Although since the following month happens to be Christmas month, that may not apply.)
But starting January, since this is a case of an allegedly temporary price drop, that baseline should go down a bit further than what it would be on if the price drop remained permanent. Question is how the baseline will fair compared to pre-November.

Xbox One started off at $500 + Kinect, with no games. And you had to buy it with Kinect.
Now (without Kinect) it's $349 + 2 games + a $50 gift card on top of already existing bundles, meaning another game added to that.
For a consumer, in terms of value, that's almost like paying $150 for the console, and $200 for 4 games.
And that happened within only a year of its launch. That's pretty crazy.
So if it goes back to being $400 ($350 + one game for the average bundle) I think the baseline might even decrease compared to pre-November. For at least a while, also considering MS's lineup for the first quarter of 2015.