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Forums - Sales Discussion - Xbox One still gets outsold 5 to 1 in Germany and Microsoft isnt doing anything

adabala said:
PwerlvlAmy said:
Germans hate Microsoft!

and idk, they need to step up their game though


i fixxed that for u


thats why we game on PC because we like linux and OSX



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Vladimir7 said:

US alone accounts for more than the rest of the world COMBINED. 

No, it doesn't. For the Xbox One, sure. But for the overall game market it's more like 35-40%, with Europe being another 30-35%.

And that's if we don't count mobile games, arcades, etc.



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Vladimir7 said:
aLkaLiNE said:
Vladimir7 said:
Zackasaurus-rex said:
The average German game console consumer is a lot smarter than the average US one. That makes it harder for MS to stay relevant there through marketing and giveaways alone when Sony provide better games, hardware, and services.

MS could step it up a little, but the only -really- strong thing they could do is better emulate Sony's creative role in the industry.


The average german game console consumer is smarter?

Services, microsoft provides more, look at xbox one features vs ps4. LOOK AT UPDATES, please. 

Hardware, goes to ps4. 

Games, really? BETTER games? Halo MCC, sunset overdrive, Forza horizon 2 beat driveclub, how does ps4 currently in this season, have the better games? 

Anyways, i think microsoft should focus on US and UK. biggest markets. US alone accounts for more than the rest of the world COMBINED. 


FH2 is available on 360.  MS provides more services in which way? Please tell me aside from XBL and Music what exactly they provide.

Sony has PS+, Music Unlimited, Video Unlimited, PSNow and soon it's own TV streaming service. All owned, operated and provided by Sony.

Games are a toss up. MCC had/s major online issues and literally every thing offered there is, was and has been offered on older platforms.

Lol, microsoft has xbox music, and xbox video, but thats not even the services i meant, Hulu, HBO go, showtime, alot of network programs fron fox, nbc and cw. heck if you check urself there are more apps on Xbox one than ps4. 

Even services like EA access too! Dont get me started on psNow even sony fanboys say its a joke. Have you seen the prices?? 

 

Tell me one, JUST ONE, platform that allowed you to play 4 games, all on one disc, 100+ multiplayer maps, 4000 gamerscore, and with two of the 4 games being upgraded from their original version. comes with a beta 1 year in advance of release of the next in the series. and a free full produced show.


Then clarify by saying Microsoft depends more on others to provide  a wider range of services.  Which should be obvious given the original focus of the VCR1 was to be a cable box first, game machine second. HDMI pass through says hello to that.  What's funny is that all of those network programs you mentioned are available on Hulu lol. So they've made most apps redundant by having all these same programs available from a single app. I have browsed the app store on X1.  It's pretty pathetic both ways - neither console offers more than a handful of apps right now. I will give you one key app X1 has secured - EA Access. But that's catch 22 and goes back to my first sentence - It's because they have ALLOWED more apps on their platform. I'm sure you'll still be bragging when Activision, Square Enix, Ubisoft, Take Two and the rest of the publishers each have their own service too.  

But yeah, PSNow is overpriced, agreed. It's also available on non gaming consoles which makes it far more justifiable on those other devices. Pay a premium to stream a game, but no overhead of having to purchase the console before hand. I think that's the market they're going for.

 

There's one single game in that, Halo 2 that actually got some attention to detail. H1A was already released.  They simply rebundled the first 4 games in the series, you make it sound like a godsend yet the multiplayer didn't even work out of the box. I still hear the ranking system is non existant, is that true? 



Vladimir7 said:
I believe microsoft will win UK and US this gen, if they continue aggressive pricing and focus on games. And for them, thats fine, their whole company doesnt rely on their gaming division....unlike SOny


Yeah, you're wrong there too. Sonys major profits comes from insurance.



If they cared about any other markets than the US and UK they would have bothered to cut the price somewhere else.




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Microsoft is fighting an uphill battle. Our Government foreign policy, with spying on Allies put alot of American technology companies in a very bad light.

If I remember correctly, Most of Apples biggest losses in litigation came in German courts.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/21/apple-samsung-germany-patents-motorola-_n_1902991.html

I do hope they do turn this policy around, and start offering better deals to other countries too.



aLkaLiNE said:
Vladimir7 said:
aLkaLiNE said:
Vladimir7 said:
Zackasaurus-rex said:
The average German game console consumer is a lot smarter than the average US one. That makes it harder for MS to stay relevant there through marketing and giveaways alone when Sony provide better games, hardware, and services.

MS could step it up a little, but the only -really- strong thing they could do is better emulate Sony's creative role in the industry.


The average german game console consumer is smarter?

Services, microsoft provides more, look at xbox one features vs ps4. LOOK AT UPDATES, please. 

Hardware, goes to ps4. 

Games, really? BETTER games? Halo MCC, sunset overdrive, Forza horizon 2 beat driveclub, how does ps4 currently in this season, have the better games? 

Anyways, i think microsoft should focus on US and UK. biggest markets. US alone accounts for more than the rest of the world COMBINED. 


FH2 is available on 360.  MS provides more services in which way? Please tell me aside from XBL and Music what exactly they provide.

Sony has PS+, Music Unlimited, Video Unlimited, PSNow and soon it's own TV streaming service. All owned, operated and provided by Sony.

Games are a toss up. MCC had/s major online issues and literally every thing offered there is, was and has been offered on older platforms.

Lol, microsoft has xbox music, and xbox video, but thats not even the services i meant, Hulu, HBO go, showtime, alot of network programs fron fox, nbc and cw. heck if you check urself there are more apps on Xbox one than ps4. 

Even services like EA access too! Dont get me started on psNow even sony fanboys say its a joke. Have you seen the prices?? 

 

Tell me one, JUST ONE, platform that allowed you to play 4 games, all on one disc, 100+ multiplayer maps, 4000 gamerscore, and with two of the 4 games being upgraded from their original version. comes with a beta 1 year in advance of release of the next in the series. and a free full produced show.


Then clarify by saying Microsoft depends more on others to provide  a wider range of services.  Which should be obvious given the original focus of the VCR1 was to be a cable box first, game machine second. HDMI pass through says hello to that.  What's funny is that all of those network programs you mentioned are available on Hulu lol. So they've made most apps redundant by having all these same programs available from a single app. I have browsed the app store on X1.  It's pretty pathetic both ways - neither console offers more than a handful of apps right now. I will give you one key app X1 has secured - EA Access. But that's catch 22 and goes back to my first sentence - It's because they have ALLOWED more apps on their platform. I'm sure you'll still be bragging when Activision, Square Enix, Ubisoft, Take Two and the rest of the publishers each have their own service too.  

But yeah, PSNow is overpriced, agreed. It's also available on non gaming consoles which makes it far more justifiable on those other devices. Pay a premium to stream a game, but no overhead of having to purchase the console before hand. I think that's the market they're going for.

 

There's one single game in that, Halo 2 that actually got some attention to detail. H1A was already released.  They simply rebundled the first 4 games in the series, you make it sound like a godsend yet the multiplayer didn't even work out of the box. I still hear the ranking system is non existant, is that true? 

bruh H1A did not have 4 games, this one does.

You said everythings already been done, i say Halo MCC is one of a kind. period. 

But yes, i meant features. The ps4 is an amzing device, shareplay is awesome. but again through monthly updates the xbox has had more features.

One clear one is voice commands. 50+ to approx 15... 



aLkaLiNE said:
Vladimir7 said:
I believe microsoft will win UK and US this gen, if they continue aggressive pricing and focus on games. And for them, thats fine, their whole company doesnt rely on their gaming division....unlike SOny


Yeah, you're wrong there too. Sonys major profits comes from insurance.


Sony just realized PR saying their gonna focus the most of their resources on gaming. phone lost money, pc lost money, tv lost money...



By my math the ratio is 4:1, not 5:1.

But yeah, still pretty bad.



Ruler said:
VanceIX said:
Europe (other than UK) belongs to Sony at this point. Not even sure if it's worht the amount of advertising costs it would take to carve out a bit more of the market.


the PS3 was only successful because xbox live charged money to play online, every casual i knew played on the ps3 later on because of this principle. But yeah if MS doesnt want our money so be it.

Oh, MS wants your money, that's not the issue. It's just that the amount of advertising and marketing needed to recover would probably outpace actual profit from sales.

Honestly, the UK and the USA have always been their bread and butter, and I think they are content with those two.



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