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The world is a safer and better place for it.

We're dealing with scum that want to brutally murder you and/or force you to be Muslim, not you and me who want to live simple peaceful lives.

How many were stifled because of the CIA and other countries' cooperation?



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Proud to see Serbia is not on that list.



BraveNewWorld said:

The world is a safer and better place for it.

We're dealing with scum that want to brutally murder you and/or force you to be Muslim, not you and me who want to live simple peaceful lives.

How many were stifled because of the CIA and other countries' cooperation?

Yup, the world is a better place without people like Mahar Arar. Not.
http://www.democracynow.org/2006/9/19/canadian_inquiry_finds_torture_survivor_maher

We're dealing with fear mongering, on all sides.



The USA can do what it wants and the same rules do not apply to the USA. Guantanamo Bay for instance treatment of terrorists or suspected terrorists, many held for long periods of time without charge and with no legal representation. Enemy conbatants/suspected terrorists received the special exception where normal rules of law do not apply and military can do what they want to prisoners: torture, sleep deprivation, starvation, interrogation, etc.



Wow! I'm actually surprised that the Philippines is not on the list. O_O



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Thanks for the help Europe! (joke)



SvennoJ said:

Yup, the world is a better place without people like Mahar Arar. Not.
http://www.democracynow.org/2006/9/19/canadian_inquiry_finds_torture_survivor_maher

We're dealing with fear mongering, on all sides.

It sucks terribly for people who are innocent but his own judgement wasn't very good.

Syrian born, flying in from Tunisia, stopover in NY a little over a year since 9/11.

Not the smartest thing to do. Anyone flying in from that part of the world at the time would have heavy tabs kept on them. You have to look our for yourself, don't trust anyone else to do it for you.



"On my business card I am a corporate president. In my mind I am a game developer. But in my heart I am a gamer." - Satoru Iwata

BraveNewWorld said:
SvennoJ said:

Yup, the world is a better place without people like Mahar Arar. Not.
http://www.democracynow.org/2006/9/19/canadian_inquiry_finds_torture_survivor_maher

We're dealing with fear mongering, on all sides.

It sucks terribly for people who are innocent but his own judgement wasn't very good.

Syrian born, flying in from Tunisia, stopover in NY a little over a year since 9/11.

Not the smartest thing to do. Anyone flying in from that part of the world at the time would have heavy tabs kept on them. You have to look our for yourself, don't trust anyone else to do it for you.

Blame the victim?
But yeah, don't trust the US government to do their homework.

I guess the Blackstone formulation doesn't apply anymore these days.
25% of those held as part of the EIT/Torture Program were in fact completely totally innocent of any involvement with al Qaeda or terrorism including Khalid al Masri whose life was destroyed in the process and Gul Rahman who died of hypothermia due to the stress position and sleep deprivation techniques used on him.

All that extra surveillance doesn't do you any good either
http://motherboard.vice.com/en_ca/blog/youll-never-guess-how-many-terrorist-plots-the-nsas-domestic-spy-program-has-foiled
just one (out of 227) conviction came out of the government's extra-controversial practice of spying on its own citizens. And that charge, against San Diego cab driver Basaaly ­Moalin, was for sending money to a terrorist group in Somalia. There was no threat of an actual attack.



BraveNewWorld said:

The world is a safer and better place for it.

We're dealing with scum that want to brutally murder you and/or force you to be Muslim, not you and me who want to live simple peaceful lives.

How many were stifled because of the CIA and other countries' cooperation?


torture doesnt work.  if  i analrape you enough with food while you arnt allowed to sleep for a week you will tell everything you think i want to hear.



Mr Khan said:
mornelithe said:
The crazy thing is, we saw a bigger upheaval worldwide, over a series of cartoons.

So far, anyway. A few weeks will tell a good tale.

Well, almost a week, and nothing.  So encouraging, don't you think?  Let's add the Pakistani school massacre to this running list of 'things that should make the world go more crazy than a bunch of cartoons.'