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4D Gamer III on 04 March 2008

Nice find Legend11.

I think a more practical perspective Phil Harrison has taken on the matter would be that of Nintendo's Heug record breaking profits right now while the PS3 is struggling to make up for 10 plus year deficit brought on by its first couple quarters on the market. Not only does the PS3 have to become profitable, it has yet to break even and must even then work to make up for all the profits of the PS2's seven year span and part of the PS1's it has squandered in trying to compete with the 360 in a hardware Arms Race.



The Ghost of RubangB said:
1: Stop making shooters. Please. You're not Valve or Free Radical.
2: Stop trying to force photo-realism down my throat until you can get out of the uncanny valley. Work on style and presentation instead of just pixels and bloom.
3: Try something weird and new, and hope we like it.

You'll cut costs way more than you cut revenue, and thus increase profit.
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FOOD on 04 March 2008
Torillian said:
FOOD said:
Where did Phil actually say the Playstation 3 isn't the future of the industry?
Doesn't appear to be stated. Legend seems to subscribe to the same standards as Fox News, anything can be said in the title as long as it's in question form.
 
News at 11: Is Osama Bin Laden hiding in your drinking water?
 
Long as you eventually use facts you can say just about anything in the title.

 


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pakidan101 on 04 March 2008

Wow, seems like Legend11 touched a nerve on a lot of people here...even though there are a lot of times I did not agree with him, I have to say that he makes some sense and I agree with his conclusion on this one.

If you don't understand, it is called reading comprehension and analysis. There are moments when you read something, and even though the character or person doesn't say it, you can tell what he/she means. For example, lets take this article as an example. Phil Harrison said "The things that excited me the most, the things that turned me on as a gamer, and as a business person, and as a creative person were the future of our industry, the connected community experiences - all the things we're starting to see emerge that are really exciting players around the world." Here, we can see that what Phil is excited by things that can bring gamers together as a community when it comes to being in the business of video games.

Later on he says "And those are the things I started thinking about in terms of creating a company or getting involved with a company to really shape and direct a business towards that future." That means he wants this to be in a company that is heading towards that future. Plain and simple.

Now, we all know that he is no longer at Sony. He quit his job, according to him. If you can use logic, if Phil willingly quit his job (according to the news that is given), then there is a big chance that he did not feel that Sony is heading to that future. I mean, lets check out Sony's future lineup of games for the PS3, the console of the future for Sony. You have MGS4 and FF13, games that deal with only one gamer at a time....not much of a community. You got Resistance 2 and KZ2, both FPS...only going to get the hardcore and semi-hardcore players, not too many casuals. Then you got the cost of the console, which is still not low enough to get the majority of the public to buy it, something the PS1 and PS2 had managed to do beautifully. That leaves Home and LBP, something that most of the public would not think is worth 400 to 500 bucks.

Sure, the console may drop the price (yet again), but we just won't know when or if that will be enough. All we know now for certain is that Phil quit his job and what Legend11 gave us are quotes from him in the end. Whatever else I speculated or Legend said is just speculation, and that my friends is something that doesn't deserve such harsh rebukes. Objections are okay, but being nasty about it just shows your insecurities about the situation.



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Coglestop on 04 March 2008
disolitude said:
You people above all think innovative means good. Lets not forget howmany times nintendo try to innovate and they failed. (Power glove, Virtual boy). Sega even more so... Nintendo has made 1 innovation work for them and now everyone is rushing to the innovation goldmine.

Besides, people that say that they left the company because of lack of innovation usually don't get their bonus and are being babies.

Correct you are, about innovation not neccessarily meaning GOOD, at least.  It's always a risk when you go off and do something that hasn't been done quite that way before.  That's the big fear I have with Home.  Sure it's an innovative interface for Sony's online plans, but I'm not sure if it will be efficient enough for general use.

The second part, though... Nintendo has done it more than once.. Shoulder buttons, self-centering analog stick(on a console), force-feedback(on a console), touch-screen gaming platform, etc.  Heck, even the standard gamepad design can trace it's lineage to Nintendo's innovative Famicom controller.

Only REAL question I have for Harrison is WHY Infogrames?  Jumping from a company that has stumbled a bit and slowly regaining their balance to one that is frantically bailing water out of their boat doesn't seem to be a wise bussiness move. 



FOOD on 04 March 2008
pakidan101 said:
Wow, seems like Legend11 touched a nerve on a lot of people here...even though there are a lot of times I did not agree with him, I have to say that he makes some sense and I agree with his conclusion on this one.

If you don't understand, it is called reading comprehension and analysis. There are moments when you read something, and even though the character or person doesn't say it, you can tell what he/she means. For example, lets take this article as an example. Phil Harrison said "The things that excited me the most, the things that turned me on as a gamer, and as a business person, and as a creative person were the future of our industry, the connected community experiences - all the things we're starting to see emerge that are really exciting players around the world." Here, we can see that what Phil is excited by things that can bring gamers together as a community when it comes to being in the business of video games.

Later on he says "And those are the things I started thinking about in terms of creating a company or getting involved with a company to really shape and direct a business towards that future." That means he wants this to be in a company that is heading towards that future. Plain and simple.

Now, we all know that he is no longer at Sony. He quit his job, according to him. If you can use logic, if Phil willingly quit his job (according to the news that is given), then there is a big chance that he did not feel that Sony is heading to that future. I mean, lets check out Sony's future lineup of games for the PS3, the console of the future for Sony. You have MGS4 and FF13, games that deal with only one gamer at a time....not much of a community. You got Resistance 2 and KZ2, both FPS...only going to get the hardcore and semi-hardcore players, not too many casuals. Then you got the cost of the console, which is still not low enough to get the majority of the public to buy it, something the PS1 and PS2 had managed to do beautifully. That leaves Home and LBP, something that most of the public would not think is worth 400 to 500 bucks.

Sure, the console may drop the price (yet again), but we just won't know when or if that will be enough. All we know now for certain is that Phil quit his job and what Legend11 gave us are quotes from in the end. Whatever else I speculated or Legend said is just speculation, and that my friends is something that doesn't deserve such harsh rebukes. Objections are okay, but being nasty about it just shows your insecurities in the end.

It's called jumping to conclusions, and it's pretty very unethical. Sure, you could take the article as an insinuation of whether or not Phil didn't believe the PS3 is the future of the industry, but nonetheless, it's not factually stated. Until Phil actually says whether or not he believes the PS3 is the future, there's no way for anyone to know. 



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4D Gamer III on 04 March 2008

I wonder how many more people are going to jump ship at Sony?



The Ghost of RubangB said:
1: Stop making shooters. Please. You're not Valve or Free Radical.
2: Stop trying to force photo-realism down my throat until you can get out of the uncanny valley. Work on style and presentation instead of just pixels and bloom.
3: Try something weird and new, and hope we like it.

You'll cut costs way more than you cut revenue, and thus increase profit.
ilovetogame on 04 March 2008

honestly the ps3 doesn't do anything better than the 360. they are both comparable in terms of power. sony has a harddrive but guess what 360 has a 120 gb harddrive so its bigger, and it was innovative last gen when xbox was the first to introduce a built-in harddrive. also last gen xbox innovative with live and they've fine tuned that this gen. i don't see anything sony has done or is planning to do thats gonna innovate over live. the only thing new they've done is blu-ray. but using a bigger storage medium for games isn't innovation, its normal. it happens every single generation. and littlebigplanet is not an innovation in terms of looking at the systems as a whole. its a single innovative game. thats it.

360's innovation is the improved live and the whole marketplace deal and everything that goes with their online service especially the downloadable games. and yes once wiiware hits the wii will have perfected what 360 started with the DL games but the innvation was from microsoft.

wii's innovation is an entirely new way to play games and that is the true innovation of this gen. its the only big innovation since the n64 innovated with really showing how 3d games should be made, rumble, analog stick, and 4 controllers built-in.

and no hd graphics isn't an innovation its the normal progression on more powerful systems each gen. and for the same reason hd graphics aren't the future cuz that doesn't make any sense. yes future systems will have hd graphics, but again, read two sentences ago, its the normal progression of things. its does absolutely nothing to change and improve the way we play games, which is what the wii does and microsoft's online service does.



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saprano1 on 04 March 2008

to the OP why are you  TWISTING THE STORY? the artical says nothing about whay he left sony. here is the same quote that you posted:   Thank you, David. It's a great pleasure to be here. As you may know I had a different job last Friday, and I have a new job today. After 15 years at Sony Computer Entertainment, where I had the chance to be part of something really special, and I'm incredibly proud of everything that company has achieved, the things that excited me the most, the things that turned me on as a gamer, and as a business person, and as a creative person were the future of our industry, the connected community experiences. All the things we're starting to see emerge that are really exciting players around the world. And those are the things I started thinking about in terms of creating a company or getting involved with a company to really shape and direct a business towards that future. they did not ask him why he left sony, those are his words prasing sony. why do people still post FUD about the ps3? its getting real old its needs to stop. go out side and some pu#sy instead of being on here posting bull sh#t.



pakidan101 on 04 March 2008
FOOD said:
pakidan101 said:
Wow, seems like Legend11 touched a nerve on a lot of people here...even though there are a lot of times I did not agree with him, I have to say that he makes some sense and I agree with his conclusion on this one.

If you don't understand, it is called reading comprehension and analysis. There are moments when you read something, and even though the character or person doesn't say it, you can tell what he/she means. For example, lets take this article as an example. Phil Harrison said "The things that excited me the most, the things that turned me on as a gamer, and as a business person, and as a creative person were the future of our industry, the connected community experiences - all the things we're starting to see emerge that are really exciting players around the world." Here, we can see that what Phil is excited by things that can bring gamers together as a community when it comes to being in the business of video games.

Later on he says "And those are the things I started thinking about in terms of creating a company or getting involved with a company to really shape and direct a business towards that future." That means he wants this to be in a company that is heading towards that future. Plain and simple.

Now, we all know that he is no longer at Sony. He quit his job, according to him. If you can use logic, if Phil willingly quit his job (according to the news that is given), then there is a big chance that he did not feel that Sony is heading to that future. I mean, lets check out Sony's future lineup of games for the PS3, the console of the future for Sony. You have MGS4 and FF13, games that deal with only one gamer at a time....not much of a community. You got Resistance 2 and KZ2, both FPS...only going to get the hardcore and semi-hardcore players, not too many casuals. Then you got the cost of the console, which is still not low enough to get the majority of the public to buy it, something the PS1 and PS2 had managed to do beautifully. That leaves Home and LBP, something that most of the public would not think is worth 400 to 500 bucks.

Sure, the console may drop the price (yet again), but we just won't know when or if that will be enough. All we know now for certain is that Phil quit his job and what Legend11 gave us are quotes from in the end. Whatever else I speculated or Legend said is just speculation, and that my friends is something that doesn't deserve such harsh rebukes. Objections are okay, but being nasty about it just shows your insecurities in the end.

It's called jumping to conclusions, and it's pretty very unethical. Sure, you could take the article as an insinuation of whether or not Phil didn't believe the PS3 is the future of the industry, but nonetheless, it's not factually stated. Until Phil actually says whether or not he believes the PS3 is the future, there's no way for anyone to know.


Like I said in that last paragraph, it is just a speculation, that is all. But at least you objected like a sane person



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FOOD on 04 March 2008
pakidan101 said:
FOOD said:
pakidan101 said:
Wow, seems like Legend11 touched a nerve on a lot of people here...even though there are a lot of times I did not agree with him, I have to say that he makes some sense and I agree with his conclusion on this one.

If you don't understand, it is called reading comprehension and analysis. There are moments when you read something, and even though the character or person doesn't say it, you can tell what he/she means. For example, lets take this article as an example. Phil Harrison said "The things that excited me the most, the things that turned me on as a gamer, and as a business person, and as a creative person were the future of our industry, the connected community experiences - all the things we're starting to see emerge that are really exciting players around the world." Here, we can see that what Phil is excited by things that can bring gamers together as a community when it comes to being in the business of video games.

Later on he says "And those are the things I started thinking about in terms of creating a company or getting involved with a company to really shape and direct a business towards that future." That means he wants this to be in a company that is heading towards that future. Plain and simple.

Now, we all know that he is no longer at Sony. He quit his job, according to him. If you can use logic, if Phil willingly quit his job (according to the news that is given), then there is a big chance that he did not feel that Sony is heading to that future. I mean, lets check out Sony's future lineup of games for the PS3, the console of the future for Sony. You have MGS4 and FF13, games that deal with only one gamer at a time....not much of a community. You got Resistance 2 and KZ2, both FPS...only going to get the hardcore and semi-hardcore players, not too many casuals. Then you got the cost of the console, which is still not low enough to get the majority of the public to buy it, something the PS1 and PS2 had managed to do beautifully. That leaves Home and LBP, something that most of the public would not think is worth 400 to 500 bucks.

Sure, the console may drop the price (yet again), but we just won't know when or if that will be enough. All we know now for certain is that Phil quit his job and what Legend11 gave us are quotes from in the end. Whatever else I speculated or Legend said is just speculation, and that my friends is something that doesn't deserve such harsh rebukes. Objections are okay, but being nasty about it just shows your insecurities in the end.

It's called jumping to conclusions, and it's pretty very unethical. Sure, you could take the article as an insinuation of whether or not Phil didn't believe the PS3 is the future of the industry, but nonetheless, it's not factually stated. Until Phil actually says whether or not he believes the PS3 is the future, there's no way for anyone to know.


Like I said in that last paragraph, it is just a speculation, that is all. But at least you objected like a sane person


 Yea, but I like how some other guy said it. "Let's get off the Jump to Conclusions mat." lol I love Office Space. 



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