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Has he made a difference after the abyssmal Dark ages of the Bush years?

Yes 95 30.74%
 
No 66 21.36%
 
Sort of 32 10.36%
 
no difference 17 5.50%
 
Worse and we are on the brink 65 21.04%
 
China please take over! 4 1.29%
 
Dubai please buy us once ... 4 1.29%
 
other post below 0 0%
 
See results 21 6.80%
 
I am a poop head and refu... 5 1.62%
 
Total:309
binary solo said:
He hasn't achieved much or anything of what he wanted to achieve, so from that perspective he was not a very successful President. But then it was a lesson that a President without a compliant Congress has little real power to achieve much. And his Democratic party in Congress is so scared really push a progressive agenda that there is almost no way any democratic President can hope to have a compliant congress even if the Democrats hold a majority in both houses, and even a fillibuster-proof majority in the Senate.

Ironically Republicans should probably see these last 8 years as a success. So while they have been opponents of the president they should consider that he's been successful for them by being unsuccessful for his own party/ideology.


Umm, ok.

Search for any list of 2008 campaign promises, and he accomplished 75% of them in the first two years.  Others he's gotten done in the meantime.  A good chunk of the ones he hasn't been able to accomplish deal with energy policy and renewables, where he's been completely blocked by GOP refusing to even discuss the issues, let alone create bills.

Unless the ACA goes completely belly up in the next deacde, history will treat Obma very well when the story is finally written and parsed.  To this point, the ACA has been a success - even Republicans in the plans overwhelmingly are positive about the changes. It's cost less (so far) than budgeted and rates of increase have slowed since before the implemntation. The only really negative health care news comes form the states that chose not to participate, mostly with GOP governors.  

There's always more he would have liked to do, which you could likely say for any president.  And something things turned out more susccessfully than others, as with any president.  

His approval ratings are still pretty good, despite the media portraying them as "in the tank."  He's at 42%.  Only Clinton and Reagan and Ford have been higher at this point in their terms since the 50s.  (And Kennedy was higher but for obvious reasons, he didn't make it to this long.)

And unlike previous presidents, a big piece of the unfavorable rating is that he's not being liberal enough - - so Dems that think he's too conservative/not doing enough but who would never vte for a GOP president.  If you factor them in, he's well over 50%.  The perception of his overall effectiveness and popularity is certainly tainted through the lns of a more effective GOP in terms of communication and controlling public messaging and by their road-blocking of agenda items which gives the appearance of his not doing much.

You have the conservative base screaming on the one hand about how unhelpfully and hugely he has changed the country for the worse, but on the other hand saying he's done nothing.  The logical impasse there is quite easy to see.  

Look at the exit poll results from the midterms.  The most popular issues that polled highest?  Legalization of pot, minimum wage increases, etc. passed with flying colors, but then GOP people voted for candidates most likely to block or reverse legislation thats upports the issues.  Look at Arkansas.  Passed minimum wage bill by large numbers, but then voted GOP across theboard, and candidates that ran on platforms against minimum wage.  There's more at play here than just the efficacy of Obama against long odds.  



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I didn't like him at first, went through a brief period of not hating him, and don't like him now.

Obamacare is the classic example of "no safety net is better than a badly thought out safety net." The discussions made me rethink healthcare being a bad idea. That said, mandating everyone buy healthcare is a very, very bad idea. I have heard two people who liked it, and they were already shelling out close to $100,000 a year in healtcare costs (so go figure what their annual income is).

A doctor I know did the math for the rest of us; for me to get coverage using an Obamacare plan (ANY of them) I would have to spend so much on healthcare that year, that anyone not in an upper income bracket would go bankrupt. It doesn't give any coverage until you've spent an absurd amount.

America had the worst healthcare of the western world 8 years ago, and it has even worse healthcare now.



Egann said:
I didn't like him at first, went through a brief period of not hating him, and don't like him now.

Obamacare is the classic example of "no safety net is better than a badly thought out safety net." The discussions made me rethink healthcare being a bad idea. That said, mandating everyone buy healthcare is a very, very bad idea. I have heard two people who liked it, and they were already shelling out close to $100,000 a year in healtcare costs (so go figure what their annual income is). A doctor I know did the math; for me to get coverage using an Obamacare plan (ANY of them) that anyone not in an upper income bracket would go bankrupt.

America had the worst healthcare of the western world 8 years ago, and it has even worse healthcare now.


dont you get medicare or aid or something like that if you dont have the money to get covered with a private plan?



It is an objective fact that we are much better off, yes.

That said, I'm still tired of right-wing presidents and wish the United States could become educated enough to develop a true left-wing.



spurgeonryan said:

Troops out of Iraq, Troop deaths down compared to other years.

I believe the Defense spending is down.

 

Jobless rates are down.

Stock Market has hit record levels and if you bought SPider Index stock back when the Market was super low you could have a lot of money right now!

Economy is doing well thanks to his Stimulous Package.

Didn't we have some sort of old car turn in? Well that got rid of a lot of junkers and helped the environment.

Universal insurance! Despite what a lot of you rich users think, many did not have insurance and suffered for years. Thank Obama!

Our global image is on the mend because of him.

ISIS is on the run, and we have the leaders Wife and Child I am told.

 

Life seems better to me. I have a job and did not when Bitch Bush was President. So maybe I am biased?

 

Opinions?


I think (country wise) we've been involved in more military operations under Obama than with Bush (but I could be wrong). Either way, I'm surprised by how willing Obama is and has been to get involved in military operations without the consent of congress and, therefore, the people. Especially considering that was one of his main campaign points in 2007-08.

Jobless rates may be down but I suspect the average income is also down. I hate the idea that people think all businesses intentionally aren't hiring people. If it profits a business to have more employees, then it will. If it doesn't, then they won't. The government should not be involved in the private sector practically at all.

I haven't given much attention to the stock market in years (there is no logic in that madness) so I don't have any knowledge on Obama's impact on it.

The Stimulus packages were started (and mostly done by Bush) so if your considering them to be a positive thing then you have to give Bush most of the credit. That being said, I didn't and still don't support the government stimulating the economy like that. Let the failing businesses fail and the succeeding ones succeed. Otherwise, medicore companies led by medicore minds will somehow exist and prevent more innovative ones from rising up.

Where did all those cars go?

We wouldn't have to worry about universal insurance if we didn't have something like insurance. I dislike and wish things like social security retirement, medicare, medicaid, and insurance (as well as the IRS) were gone or dissolved. I also wish our money was based on something (like a yellowish mineral...) rather than nothing. Then we wouldn't have to deal with all this inflation nonsense and currency exchange changes nearly as much.

I would say the world hates us now more than ever. Russia certainly hates us more than they used to. I'm sure Syria, Egypt, and Libya despise us even more. North Korea is even crazier toward us (except for that NBA dude...).

ISIS, and more importantly what they represent, is not weakening. Ignorance is spreading and that faith combined with the governments that they have over there does not make an enlightened group of people. Most of the terrorists that we experience don't care if they die and are brain washed to think a bunch of nonsense. This has nothing to do with President Obama though. They hate us because they view us all as Christians or Jews and they absolutely have been brainwashed to HATE anyone who loves God and Jesus Christ as their savior (which makes sense, considering the devil is the best deceiver and he himself hates all those who serve The Christ).

I can't even comment on your last statement because of how ridiculous it is lol. I will say this, there are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY to many people who vote and support/dislike political people based on things going on in their lives. I would never vote for a democrat just because I'm a teacher. I believe things like abortion are MUCH bigger than things that directly impact my personal wellbeing. Who cares about my job situation when millions of babies are being murdered in a multi-billion dollar abortion industry that is bent on making as much money as possible by destroying life (often times in extremely disgusting ways). Who cares about my job when billions of dollars are spent on wasteful things like flying a fricking junk of metal to freaking mars just to do some tests? There are bigger things in the world than me and my specific struggles.



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generic-user-1 said:
Egann said:
I didn't like him at first, went through a brief period of not hating him, and don't like him now.

Obamacare is the classic example of "no safety net is better than a badly thought out safety net." The discussions made me rethink healthcare being a bad idea. That said, mandating everyone buy healthcare is a very, very bad idea. I have heard two people who liked it, and they were already shelling out close to $100,000 a year in healtcare costs (so go figure what their annual income is). A doctor I know did the math; for me to get coverage using an Obamacare plan (ANY of them) that anyone not in an upper income bracket would go bankrupt.

America had the worst healthcare of the western world 8 years ago, and it has even worse healthcare now.


dont you get medicare or aid or something like that if you dont have the money to get covered with a private plan?


Technically yes, except that a lot of the money to fund Obamacare was taken out of Medicare and Medicaid. The programs are very reluctant to take on new benefit-takers. The people who get this the worst are just barely above the very low income bracket, who don't get Medicaid, and who have to spend something absurd like 30% of their annual take-home pay on healthcare to see any benefits.



Dulfite said:Who cares about my job situation when millions of babies are being murdered in a multi-billion dollar abortion industry that is bent on making as much money as possible by destroying life (often times in extremely disgusting ways). Who cares about my job when billions of dollars are spent on wasteful things like flying a fricking junk of metal to freaking mars just to do some tests? There are bigger things in the world than me and my specific struggles.


Hyperbole, much?  You make it sound like there's some evil dude living in a mansion gleefully lining up unsuspecting fetuses for profit.

It couldn't be less accurate.  

Plus, the abortion rate is at its lowest level ever, no thanks to protestors and the closing of clinics (women will have abortions anyway, just in dangerous and horrible conditions) but due to education, information and access to health care/contraception/the pill. 

The biggest thing that could decrease abortion rates is access to health care (like through the Affordable Care Act), educating young people, ensuring equal pay for women and minimum wages (most abortions tied to not being able to finanically care for child) and ensuring a woman's right to contraceptive access.  

The people that fight against abortion the hardest routinely fight against the things that would actually prevent abortions.  (See the end of my previous post.)

 



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fastyxx said:
binary solo said:
He hasn't achieved much or anything of what he wanted to achieve, so from that perspective he was not a very successful President. But then it was a lesson that a President without a compliant Congress has little real power to achieve much. And his Democratic party in Congress is so scared really push a progressive agenda that there is almost no way any democratic President can hope to have a compliant congress even if the Democrats hold a majority in both houses, and even a fillibuster-proof majority in the Senate.

Ironically Republicans should probably see these last 8 years as a success. So while they have been opponents of the president they should consider that he's been successful for them by being unsuccessful for his own party/ideology.


Umm, ok.

Search for any list of 2008 campaign promises, and he accomplished 75% of them in the first two years.  Others he's gotten done in the meantime.  A good chunk of the ones he hasn't been able to accomplish deal with energy policy and renewables, where he's been completely blocked by GOP refusing to even discuss the issues, let alone create bills.

Unless the ACA goes completely belly up in the next deacde, history will treat Obma very well when the story is finally written and parsed.  To this point, the ACA has been a success - even Republicans in the plans overwhelmingly are positive about the changes. It's cost less (so far) than budgeted and rates of increase have slowed since before the implemntation. The only really negative health care news comes form the states that chose not to participate, mostly with GOP governors.  

There's always more he would have liked to do, which you could likely say for any president.  And something things turned out more susccessfully than others, as with any president.  

His approval ratings are still pretty good, despite the media portraying them as "in the tank."  He's at 42%.  Only Clinton and Reagan and Ford have been higher at this point in their terms since the 50s.  (And Kennedy was higher but for obvious reasons, he didn't make it to this long.)

And unlike previous presidents, a big piece of the unfavorable rating is that he's not being liberal enough - - so Dems that think he's too conservative/not doing enough but who would never vte for a GOP president.  If you factor them in, he's well over 50%.  The perception of his overall effectiveness and popularity is certainly tainted through the lns of a more effective GOP in terms of communication and controlling public messaging and by their road-blocking of agenda items which gives the appearance of his not doing much.

You have the conservative base screaming on the one hand about how unhelpfully and hugely he has changed the country for the worse, but on the other hand saying he's done nothing.  The logical impasse there is quite easy to see.  

Look at the exit poll results from the midterms.  The most popular issues that polled highest?  Legalization of pot, minimum wage increases, etc. passed with flying colors, but then GOP people voted for candidates most likely to block or reverse legislation thats upports the issues.  Look at Arkansas.  Passed minimum wage bill by large numbers, but then voted GOP across theboard, and candidates that ran on platforms against minimum wage.  There's more at play here than just the efficacy of Obama against long odds.  

If you think the ACA is getting what he wanted then you are sadly mistaken. The ACA is as good as he was able to get, but that's not saying her got what he wanted. And IMO the ACA is not good, and is an embarrassment to any true social progressive.



“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."

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I voted for him twice and imo more positives that negatives his positives are that he has helped with our image vs bush in the rest of the world, the economic recovery has more than exceeded everyone's expectations (gas, stock market, unemployment, minumum wage increases), and the first real health care reform in decades. He is on the other hand a mixed bag on military/foreign policy (bin laden/gaddafi/somali pirates taken out, but also continued alot of bush spying policies) and if your a member of or support the lgbt community he has done more than any president ever has or will to give them a voice in the whitehouse.