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Why dell is out of your options?(okay you told us about hp but dell?)



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tak13 said:
Why dell is out of your options?(okay you told us about hp but dell?)

Didn't say anything about Dell?



Unfortunately Dell isn't interested in making affordable gaming laptops.

They have the Alienware, where all of the ones with decent GPUs get slotted, then they have the crappy AMD A-series APU laptops and Intel integrated HD laptops to fill out the rest.

Even their XPS series laptops are given the shaft when it comes to decent GPU power. It's because they're chasing the thin/light/elegant design, and giving room for decent laptop GPU TDP output sacrifices that a bit.



Gilgamesh said:

Yeh I'm stuck between the y500 and y510.

The y500 has a bit slower cpu 3rd gen, plenty of memory, enough HDD and also 16GB SSD assuming the system is on and a great GPU and display, the only problem is that it has Vista which I'll change out of windows 7, at $700.

The y510 much better CPU, same memory, great SSD for the system but I'll have to get a terabyte HDD for storage, awesome GPU and similar display for $675.

Now I don't game hardcore, I'm mostly a console gamers, the big games I'll always buy for my console, the PC games will probably be a couple years or older.

@bold: this is me, too. This thread has been really helpful, as I'm also on the hunt for something affordable that can still handle modern games.



Hp's technical support is awful. After the warranty is over, they are no help at all, unless you wanna buy something from them.



    

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MoHasanie said:
Hp's technical support is awful. After the warranty is over, they are no help at all, unless you wanna buy something from them.


They were going to charge me $520 to replace my GPU, I paid $599 for my laptop. 



Gilgamesh said:
MoHasanie said:
Hp's technical support is awful. After the warranty is over, they are no help at all, unless you wanna buy something from them.


They were going to charge me $520 to replace my GPU, I paid $599 for my laptop. 

Yikes. Yeah avoid HP. Their expensive products are good quality but their customer service is bad. I think Dell's support is bad too. 



    

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Arkaign said:
Unfortunately Dell isn't interested in making affordable gaming laptops.

They have the Alienware, where all of the ones with decent GPUs get slotted, then they have the crappy AMD A-series APU laptops and Intel integrated HD laptops to fill out the rest.

Even their XPS series laptops are given the shaft when it comes to decent GPU power. It's because they're chasing the thin/light/elegant design, and giving room for decent laptop GPU TDP output sacrifices that a bit.

You seem well inform. And I think I saw you mention in a coment that your work with computers or some tech.

Can you tell me a little about APU's. I read about them but gaming wise I'm a newb. I just bought a amd A10-7300 with radeon R6 and 8gb ram, they tell me it can run new games on mid settings and thats good. But can you tell me what is the benefict of the 4 cpu + 6 gbu core chip? I seen comparisons to an i5 chip on computing but no clue about gaming where this is suposed to shine. Did I do a mistake and should have bought a intel chip and normal video card? For reference this only costed me $400 and I did not have the funds to spend more than $450 on a laptop.



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Well, I may sound a bit harsh on the AMD APUs, but for value gaming they're really not bad. Your A10 is the best of the series so far.

Gaming on PC will be bottlenecked by something or other any way you cut it, even on really beefy rigs, but they are more often bottlenecked by GPU.

Now comparing midrange Intel vs. AMD CPUs, you have most often a situation where the AMD CPU portion is mediocre, and the GPU portion is mediocre (in terms of gaming). Whereas on Intel setups without a dedicated GPU you have an excellent CPU portion, and below-average/poor GPU portion (Intel HD Graphics, even the HD4600, just aren't very good for gaming).

So if you showed me a laptop with an AMD A6, A8, or A10 APU, and compared it to a similarly priced value Intel laptop with an i3 or i5, but without a dedicated GPU to go with it, the AMD will be better for gaming. Now add a decent GPU to the situation and the Intel turns into a much better unit.

TLDR : For $400, you did just fine. It's really really difficult to find a well rounded gaming laptop for under $600, and you can get into trouble really quick if you start trying to checkbox all the good stuff like :

i7 Quad
8GB or more ram
7200RPM HDD or even an SSD
Dedicated GPU of decent spec (eg; GT750 or better)
1080P Screen
etc.

As for how to set your particular unit up for best results with that A10 you have, would be to run native resolution, high textures, medium shadows, low AA.



Arkaign said:
Well, I may sound a bit harsh on the AMD APUs, but for value gaming they're really not bad. Your A10 is the best of the series so far.

Gaming on PC will be bottlenecked by something or other any way you cut it, even on really beefy rigs, but they are more often bottlenecked by GPU.

Now comparing midrange Intel vs. AMD CPUs, you have most often a situation where the AMD CPU portion is mediocre, and the GPU portion is mediocre (in terms of gaming). Whereas on Intel setups without a dedicated GPU you have an excellent CPU portion, and below-average/poor GPU portion (Intel HD Graphics, even the HD4600, just aren't very good for gaming).

So if you showed me a laptop with an AMD A6, A8, or A10 APU, and compared it to a similarly priced value Intel laptop with an i3 or i5, but without a dedicated GPU to go with it, the AMD will be better for gaming. Now add a decent GPU to the situation and the Intel turns into a much better unit.

TLDR : For $400, you did just fine. It's really really difficult to find a well rounded gaming laptop for under $600, and you can get into trouble really quick if you start trying to checkbox all the good stuff like :

i7 Quad
8GB or more ram
7200RPM HDD or even an SSD
Dedicated GPU of decent spec (eg; GT750 or better)
1080P Screen
etc.

As for how to set your particular unit up for best results with that A10 you have, would be to run native resolution, high textures, medium shadows, low AA.

Thank you, you put my mind at ease. A lot more clearer  than the specs I found that just sounded very vague.

 The only thing I had clear before was that for a tight budget you should always go amd, just dint know if for my budget it was even worth it and just got a crapy laptop to work and save my money for a ps4. Im glad that I dint make  a mistake then. I can gladly game on mid specs for a while until I upgrade to next gen.

I just have one last question about the radeon r6 graphics. It says it does not have dedicated video memory and it uses directly the ram. Does that mean that if I upgrade it to 16gb ram, would it improve the gpu performance?



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