Exactly...and X1X isn’t selling at all. 400 seems more sensible. Worked out like a charm last time. Although 500 could work, if it was really powerful.

That’s highly unrealistic to assume, just for the fact the new CPU will be much faster for sure. GPU will also be at least Vega based. The X1X doesn’t even use Vega features - the Pro does though.

If rumours are true that Sony will be using a split solution this time instead of a combined APU, the power difference will be even more significant.

Yeah, I think this time around its an obvious direction sony can go. And at least on the GPU end, splitting the the CPU+GPU will allow for a GPU thats at least twice as powerful as whatever we would have got in an APU at launch. 32GB of ram is still too much though. And I am not even sure its possible with GDDR6 right now or even in the future. I think (i could be mistaken) that GDDR6 peaks out at 24GB.

24GB of ram may be a possibility. Though I think its still too much.

But yeah, I think an M.2 ssd would be standard too. The interface will be Pciex4 which allows support for nvme ssds but we will get a sata 3 based ssd in the console.  And most likely no more than 1TB. Of course (at least with sony) you would be able to always take out the ssd that came with the system and slap in an nvme drive instead.

I don't get why people are throwing around HBM like its the holy grail of memory. And in the process underselling GDDR6. The fastest GDDR6 ram (aka as highest capacity) will have 24GB and a bandwidth of 864GB/s. In comparison the next best thing on the HBM front will have a bandwidth of around 901GB/s. We are talking about a bandwidth difference of less than 50GB/s. And a price difference of more than 50% and thats not factoring in the significantly lower yeilds. 

I think we need to stop looking at the tech and more at the performance when it comes to this.... anything higher than 500GB/s bandwidth will be more than sufficient for 4k gaming.  There is also that possibility that console makers can even go with a custom "extra wide bus" which would result in even more bandwidth from their chosen ram.

lol.......

The mistake with the PS3 was coming in at $600, a year later and while their immediate competition was selling a whole $200 less than them. 

Something people havent caught onto this gen is that MS has more than just lost the gen, but they have potentially lost the next one too. The more people shift to digital, the more PS+ subscribers sony has all getting free games on their PS console this gen.... the more people you can almost guarantee (barring any major fuck up) will follow you to the next gen. 

I feel a $500 console is doable. Its even possible that sony takes a hit on it and sells it for $400. And it doesn't matter how smart MS wants to be, if sony ends up with a $500 box because they split the CPU and GPU, that will simply be something MS must do too. Or not the power difference between the two will be extremely significant. Like 2x different. And all that will do is that the PS5 will again become the lead and media platform. 

While the DDR5 standard is supposed to be published this year, don't count on it for the next console. DDR5 is late, it was supposed to get finalised in 2016 already, with market release in 2020. In other words, they are 2 years late on that plan already, and from final specs to the released product there are always a couple of years ( due to how lithography works, that can't be shortened by more than a few months if they're lucky). Plus, any new standard is much more expensive than the established one, making them more unsuitable for consoles.

Finally, GDDR gets developed from DDR, and a GDDR standard deriving from DRR5 will not come before DDR5 is released because GDDR is basically DDR modified for high bandwith. Just have a look how long it took for GDDR6 to be developed from DDR4. While there can be an improved GDDR7 in the next years, that one would still be derived from DDR4, not 5 (just as GDDR2 and 3 are derived from DDR2 and GDDR4 and 5 are derived from DDR3)

In short, don't count on DDR5 before 2021 earliest and any GDDR derived from it for about 2023, and pricely viable for a console not before 2025.

I like quietness console. It is more important than design.

X is not selling because of exclusives. Switch is a great example, though it is a hybrid and that could be the reason for high sales I think exclusive games is an important factor. I guess people will buy 500$ console if it has the games and obviously BC for PS4.

If native 4K is too demanding then IMO it will not be bad idea to keep using checkerboard 4K but we get huge upgrade in shadow, lighting, special affects, stuff on screen at 60fps. I am a 1080P user but honestly I think gfx is more important than native 4K. Having said that I think native 4K will be given the priority because of marketing purpose.

Well people were talking about PS4 in 2011 and day by day it is basically only 2 years from now that they announce ps5 if it is a similar generation.

That is the first time I see so many people underestimate the capabilities of a next generation console.

It seems you are getting the wrong lessons from Nintendo Switch so far. The Switch is a completely different class of product. It is not a direct competition for the high end consoles an PCs. It might not even be a competitor for tablets and smartphones, because of the lack of media capability hasn't affect its sales.

There is a market for high fidelity high performance graphics. Fortunately those consoles are so close to PCs that upgrades are almost trivial.

The PS4 and the Xone were built with 2011-2012 CPU and GPU, Pro and X with 2016s. Don't let the inflated gpu prices full you. There are room for a 12-15 Tflops machine costing $500 launching in 2020.

an 11 tflop 1080ti costs over $1000 right now and the prices are going up.

Eventually yes, but I don't think anything higher than 4K headsets will be viable for ps5, and spread over 110 degrees that compares to 720p in the center at the very most. Probably less as that likely won't be 4K per eye. Besides expecting next gen to render native 4K x 2 at minimum 60fps without any hitches is still a tall order. Memory speed will need to go up a lot as well to use 24GB effectively or those high res textures will just be a bottleneck.

Yet to future proof for a ps5 pro, 32GB would be better. Or perhaps 16GB for games, 8GB for the OS. That's still over 3 times more than games get now.

One thing one has to consider though...Even in 2-3 years not even 50% of people will own a 4K TV or will have the possibility to get one, additionally to their shiny new 4K console.

Are 12-15 Tflops really needed for a highly detailed 4K/30 performance?! 

I still think 10-12 seems possible for PS5, but higher Tflops would be more needed for VR than for 4K imho.