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mornelithe said:
walsufnir said:

A professional company can't hide behind "we are no networking company". If you don't have the knowledge, you have to buy it, as easy as this.

Uh yeah, Boeing, couldn't keep hackers out, major financial firms couldn't keep hackers out, etc... you think Sony will ever have better security than a military contractor?  You're blaming the victim, when you should be blaming the criminal.  If this were rape, you'd be telling a woman she dressed like a whore.  Good call.


Your comparison is odd. Do you close your doors if you leave your home? Do you lock the doors of your car if you leave it?

This hacking of Sony revealed that there security concept had many, many flaws in the concept itself so it was possible for the hackers to achieve what is now known around the web. Of course, without the hackers this wouldn't have happened but big companies are constantly a target for hackers and they know they are so yes, partially the victim is also to blame here.



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kowenicki said:
vivster said:
Still not convinced a real hack actually happened.


Inside job?  or made up?

If something actually happened it was either an inside Job or some very very incompetent employees that left open the doors. Incidentally those 2 possibilities are by far the most common "hacks".

But until there is more verifiable information than some torrents and a scary virus in their office I won't be convinced that something sinister actually hapopened.



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kowenicki said:
celador said:
walsufnir said:
This is part of one of the biggest hacking achievement I read about in recent years...


Are you rubbing your hands together in glee?  You seem to enjoy Sony getting hacked, no matter how many people it may affect


You are being way too defensive this mornign.  Where does he exhibit any glee?  Why are you attacking him?

OT

not good.  I dont like hacking of any kind. 

im okay with some kind of hacking
and this is at least some sort of harmless hacking.
steal a movie pre release is robin hood like.





well i bet the movies is still broken and not yet edited. so then again it useless



walsufnir said:

Your comparison is odd. Do you close your doors if you leave your home? Do you lock the doors of your car if you leave it?

This hacking of Sony revealed that there security concept had many, many flaws in the concept itself so it was possible for the hackers to achieve what is now known around the web. Of course, without the hackers this wouldn't have happened but big companies are constantly a target for hackers and they know they are so yes, partially the victim is also to blame here.

The comparison is apt, albeit a tad extreme.  Your comparisons are however, inaccurate.  Since Sony doesn't just 'invite' outside connections, the comparison would be, I leave my home, lock my doors, set the alarms, and someone uses high tech equipment to bypass those systems.  In which case, you'd still be blaming me for not having enough security.  Likewise with a car, it has locks and most of the newer ones not only have alarms, but have key fob's, which require them to be near the car to unlock.  They can and are circumvented, so you'd still be blaming the owner for not having more security.

The problem isn't companies security, or household security, or car security, the problem is, there's no easy way to track down the hackers, or, they exist in countries that are either beyond the arm of international law (North Korea, China, Russia or hell, even in situations like Stuxnet, the US..not like the US or Israel are going to allow Iran access to any of the folks who made it).



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mornelithe said:
walsufnir said:

Your comparison is odd. Do you close your doors if you leave your home? Do you lock the doors of your car if you leave it?

This hacking of Sony revealed that there security concept had many, many flaws in the concept itself so it was possible for the hackers to achieve what is now known around the web. Of course, without the hackers this wouldn't have happened but big companies are constantly a target for hackers and they know they are so yes, partially the victim is also to blame here.

The comparison is apt, albeit a tad extreme.  Your comparisons are however, inaccurate.  Since Sony doesn't just 'invite' outside connections, the comparison would be, I leave my home, lock my doors, set the alarms, and someone uses high tech equipment to bypass those systems.  In which case, you'd still be blaming me for not having enough security.  Likewise with a car, it has locks and most of the newer ones not only have alarms, but have key fob's, which require them to be near the car to unlock.  They can and are circumvented, so you'd still be blaming the owner for not having more security.

The problem isn't companies security, or household security, or car security, the problem is, there's no easy way to track down the hackers, or, they exist in countries that are either beyond the arm of international law (North Korea, China, Russia or hell, even in situations like Stuxnet, the US..not like the US or Israel are going to allow Iran access to any of the folks who made it).


The problem here is not what Sony is doing at the door but also inside their house. It is nice to have locked doors in your house if you leave it but if you leave the keys on the table for the locked doors you don't have to lock them in the first place.

Again, there are several flaws in the whole concept and infrastructure behind this hack which wouldn't have been able with better work on Sony's side.

But I guess we won't agree in this case.



walsufnir said:

The problem here is not what Sony is doing at the door but also inside their house. It is nice to have locked doors in your house if you leave it but if you leave the keys on the table for the locked doors you don't have to lock them in the first place.

Again, there are several flaws in the whole concept and infrastructure behind this hack which wouldn't have been able with better work on Sony's side.

But I guess we won't agree in this case.

No, we won't, you stick up for hackers, I stick up for the victims.  Not many people would agree with you here.



mornelithe said:
walsufnir said:

The problem here is not what Sony is doing at the door but also inside their house. It is nice to have locked doors in your house if you leave it but if you leave the keys on the table for the locked doors you don't have to lock them in the first place.

Again, there are several flaws in the whole concept and infrastructure behind this hack which wouldn't have been able with better work on Sony's side.

But I guess we won't agree in this case.

No, we won't, you stick up for hackers, I stick up for the victims.  Not many people would agree with you here.


Why would I care for how many people agree with me? If Sony doesn't improve their security concepts and put them on a professional level they will be victims again. It's a bad situation for big companies but you can prevent them - it just depends on how much money you want to spend for it.

Also I am not sticking up for the hackers but I say you can't say that poor Sony is only a victim here without any responsability to enable this big hack.



walsufnir said:

Why would I care for how many people agree with me? If Sony doesn't improve their security concepts and put them on a professional level they will be victims again. It's a bad situation for big companies but you can prevent them - it just depends on how much money you want to spend for it.

Also I am not sticking up for the hackers but I say you can't say that poor Sony is only a victim here without any responsability to enable this big hack.

No, you can't prevent them, if we've learned anything, a motivated hacker, will get in regardless of the security systems you put in place.  The rest of your comment is just more victim blaming, so it's appropriately ignored.  Respond to others, I'm done here.



mornelithe said:
walsufnir said:

Why would I care for how many people agree with me? If Sony doesn't improve their security concepts and put them on a professional level they will be victims again. It's a bad situation for big companies but you can prevent them - it just depends on how much money you want to spend for it.

Also I am not sticking up for the hackers but I say you can't say that poor Sony is only a victim here without any responsability to enable this big hack.

No, you can't prevent them, if we've learned anything, a motivated hacker, will get in regardless of the security systems you put in place.  The rest of your comment is just more victim blaming, so it's appropriately ignored.  Respond to others, I'm done here.


As I am. It's obvious you don't know anything about security and security concepts so discussing is of no use in this context.